Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Tromking

Honey_Badger wrote: »

I’m not sure if it’s your maths or lack of knowledge of the Labour Party that’s let you down. 2015 - 30 = 1985 which is when Neil Kinnock was leader. Blair didn’t become leader until 1994.

Kinnock spent most of his tenure fighting Arky's wing of the party in a vain attempt to get elected. Blair merely finished the job Kinnock and Smith started.
Labour next time round will lose voters like me who were duped into thinking they were for honouring the referendum result when they patently weren't. Big shame as that 2017 GE manifesto was a cracker.
Magic Grandpa is going to get creamed.

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

The Lib Dems promised never to vote for an increase in tuition fees, then did exactly the opposite when they got into government, based on many of the votes they got for promising not to raise tuition fees.

It was hardly promising the world. It was promising the bare minimum they should have, and then reneging on it.

But promising much more and reneging on it would be much much worse.

LauraW10

Arklight wrote: »

Yes, Labour is a left wing socialist party.

Now you've driven out all the Blairite/centrist old members and voters you must be very pleased with yourselves.....or did you expect them to keep voting for you?


It's 14 years since Labour won an election and there is no sign of that changing anytime soon.


Proud, you must be very proud.

lisyloo

Arklight wrote: »

I tore up my membership card when they decided to become a kind of vestibule of the Conservative Party. Although looking back to that time now looks like a liberal utopia.

The student fees is a well known betrayal, but didn’t the Lib Dem’s hold back the worst excesses of the Tory party whilst they were in coalition and did a lot of good work.

adindas

lisyloo wrote: »

The student fees is a well known betrayal, but didn’t the Lib Dem’s hold back the worst excesses of the Tory party whilst they were in coalition and did a lot of good work.

Liberal Democrat betrayed their own fundamental value

Liberal (?).
How come it is called Liberal if they are pro the EU protected economy. How much money come from the taxpayers from EU countries has been used to subsidise EU farmers.

WTO is the symbol of liberal economy which brexit is all about.

Democrat (?)
They wanted whatever it takes to reverse Brexit. Brexit is the result of democratic process as a result of referendum. Some people question the legality of the referendum, which result of the voting in the parliament. Again the parliament approved Brexit. Some of them even voted in favour of triggering article 50 where there still had the chance to reverse it. So it is a double denial of democracy.

The correct name for them should be "NON-Liberal and UN-Democratic" party.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

But promising much more and reneging on it would be much much worse.

Johnsons only been in no 10 for a day, at least give him until next week to renege on everything.

buglawton

A little flutter placed on a September GE. Great odds, oddly.

Filo25

buglawton wrote: »

A little flutter placed on a September GE. Great odds, oddly.

I think the problem with September is that is would need to be called over the summer recess to happen then and that is probably viewed as unlikely, hence the odds

buglawton

Granted. Aug is near impossible due to the public and MPs having booked holidays, October is dangerously close to B day. Nov would mean a Corbyn coalition.

Moby

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/which-of-the-following-best-describes-what-you-would-like-to-happen-regarding-brexit-uk-remains-in-the-eu-uk-agrees-to-theresa-mays-deal-a-similar-deal-or-the-uk-leaves-with-no-deal/


The UK remains in the EU: 41% (+3% change since last asked in January)
The UK agrees to Theresa May’s deal or a similar Brexit deal with the EU: 15% (-5%)
The UK leaves the EU with ‘no deal’: 26% (-3%)
Don’t know: 17% (+4%)
If you remove the don’t knows, it comes to 50% Remain, 18% Deal, 32% No Deal.