Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Conina

Moby wrote: »

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/which-of-the-following-best-describes-what-you-would-like-to-happen-regarding-brexit-uk-remains-in-the-eu-uk-agrees-to-theresa-mays-deal-a-similar-deal-or-the-uk-leaves-with-no-deal/


The UK remains in the EU: 41% (+3% change since last asked in January)
The UK agrees to Theresa May’s deal or a similar Brexit deal with the EU: 15% (-5%)
The UK leaves the EU with ‘no deal’: 26% (-3%)
Don’t know: 17% (+4%)
If you remove the don’t knows, it comes to 50% Remain, 18% Deal, 32% No Deal.

Based on old fieldwork and on two small polls though, now if these questions had been asked since the rise of Boris you could almost guarantee different responses. Be honest, it tells you nothing unless it's what you desperately WANT to hear.

adindas

Conina wrote: »

... , now if these questions had been asked since the rise of Boris you could almost guarantee different responses. Be honest, it tells you nothing unless it's what you desperately WANT to hear.

Certainly. With Theresa May in charge and Olly Robin around him, they would be willing to sign up any deal even the deal that will suck the UK taxpayers blood for the rest of their life. They will be willing to sign BINO or custom union, or Norway Style, keep paying even more and you do not have the power to make decision. Any rational person would agree there was no point of having Brexit in this term.

adindas

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/brexit-deadlock-as-no-10-insists-eu-must-scrap-backstop-before-talks

"Johnson’s spokesman said there were no talks with the EU scheduled, and that if they happened it must be “clear what the basis for those discussions needs to be” – a message the new PM then delivered personally to Angela Merkel."

This is the fundamental principle in negotiation, not begging like Theresa May which let her and the country to be huniliated.

Even Amber Ruud who voted remain in 2016, an arch remainer confessed that "no-deal" must remain on the table. "

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1152146/brexit-news-no-deal-amber-rudd-jeremy-hunt-boris-johnson-tory-leadership-video-UK-EU

In your own negotiation if the option is to leave without a deal or to have a deal that will suck your blood for the rest of your life and leave you with humiliation, which one you choose ?? In the past there were a few examples where countries prepared to go war for this reason alone, let alone just Brexit which only have a short-term impact (not a long term). Let alone the impact will be much worse for some EU Countries such as Ireland and other EU countries which depend on the EU subsidy.

If you know you will be let with food shortage, starvation, you know what to do to survive. Let see whether Ireland want to obey EU demand to erect the barrier and UK block their access to the UK ports in the no-deal brexit considering 85% of their import/export depend on the UK port and will have a headline defixit of -0.05 0.5 - 2.5%.

Takedap

adindas wrote: »

In your own negotiation if the option is to leave without a deal or to have a deal that will suck your blood for the rest of your life and leave you with humiliation, which one you choose ??

There is a very simple reason why the EU will not put a time limit on the backstop.


It is because the UK has consistently proved that it has no plans & cannot stick to deadlines.


What would be the point in having an agreement to do something by a certain date if one side cannot be trusted to stick to it?

Conina

Takedap wrote: »

There is a very simple reason why the EU will not put a time limit on the backstop.

There is and that is because the EU never had the slightest intention of forming a mutually acceptable exit deal with the UK as various EU officials have said with Juncker saying the UK must pay for daring to ask to leave and even Germany's Merkel saying the UK must suffer.

Herzlos

We only care about the backstop because we have no idea what to do to avoid it being invoked in the first place or to have it invalidated if it does take effect.

That's why the EU are insisting on it.

adindas

EU budget until 2020 include UK payment of EUR39 bil.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1158608/Brexit-news-EU-budget-2020-Brexit-Party-Robert-Rowland-MEP

Time to see more light. Could you manage it if you suddenly lose 1/3 of your income ? How would you prepare it in a very short time ?

“The interesting thing is that the total budget I think is roughly about €180/190 billion per year."'

“Our divorce bill is £39billion, roughly €50billion, so our divorce bill alone is a third of the budget.

About no-confidence vote and generla election ?

Shocking moment Labour MP admits party doesn't have a chance in next election

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1158508/labour-party-news-brexit-latest-jeremy-corbyn-boris-johnson-election-lbc-owen-smith-video

Zero_Gravitas

adindas wrote: »

EU budget until 2020 include UK payment of EUR39 bil.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1158608/Brexit-news-EU-budget-2020-Brexit-Party-Robert-Rowland-MEP

Time to see more light. Could you manage it if you suddenly lose 1/3 of your income ? How would you prepare it in a very short time ?

“The interesting thing is that the total budget I think is roughly about €180/190 billion per year."'

“Our divorce bill is £39billion, roughly €50billion, so our divorce bill alone is a third of the budget.

I'm sorry to burst your frothy little bubble, but here are some facts:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48586677

1. The amount is now 33bn GBP (because we've delayed the departure date).
2. The amount is not all paid in one go - it's about 75% up to 2022, maxing at about 10bn in 2020, and then the rest runs beyond the middle of the century.

So, either that brexit party MEP is completely ignorant about the EU, or he's a liar. Which do you think it is?

Backbiter

Conina wrote: »

There is and that is because the EU never had the slightest intention of forming a mutually acceptable exit deal with the UK as various EU officials have said with Juncker saying the UK must pay for daring to ask to leave and even Germany's Merkel saying the UK must suffer.

Could you post links to back up these claims?

gfplux

So it’s a no deal at the end of October. It must be assumed that this will have some effect. Anyone posting here who is in a job that might be slightly effected?
It would be foolish to think that no deal will have no effect however anyone planning on travelling in/out of the EU in November?