Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

ess0two

cogito wrote: »

But I bet you think that Arklight's incessant bile that he pours on Brexit supporters has you chortling in your coffee.

Does a lot of gesturing GF about the UK leaving,yet resides in Luxembourg??

buglawton

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Brexit isn't WWII so we do have the luxury.

Erm I was answering this one

Originally Posted by RealElement47
There isn’t enough time left to Oct to prevent the kind of disruption that the uk has never seen

QED

BikingBud

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

Originally Posted by BikingBud

So VAT is not standard across Europe

Yes. And so what? Is this a valid reason to Brexit? Or does this make the Irish border problem go away. I do not understand how this is relevant; care to explain?

Originally Posted by BikingBud
EU Co-operation:
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Austria closes country roads to German travelers
Tyrol province will restrict access to country roads, which travelers use to avoid traffic and tolls. The move is the latest escalation between Germany's state of Bavaria and Austria over cross-border transportation.”

Schengen? Open borders?

Pish

Again, I fail to see how this could in any way possibly be relevant. Care to explain?
Yes, there is a spat between two countries. Yes, oh the shock and horror, EU countries don’t all love each other and don’t sing kumbaya by the fire. Well, so what? Again: is that a reason to Brexit? Does it make the Irish border or any of the countless other issues Brexit will cause to go away?

No it's the constant assertion that living in EUtopia everything is hunky dory and if we do leave the EU we will be cast adrift with problems that will accelerate us towards the end of humanity.

There are many issues that currently are addressed and managed on a daily basis, such as differing VAT rates and no borders or problems that lead to friction across borders, that do not precipitate the sky falling in.

Brexit also will not lead to the sky falling in.

BikingBud

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

And I remember a recent BBC Panorama, according to which most firms are not ready to pre-declare as they have not registered.


EXACTLY THIS!!

How pre-declaring or doing checks away from the border solves these issues is beyond me. But I cannot say it, otherwise Brexiters tell me they have already answered this (not really…) or come back angrily saying “how dare I demand an answer”.

I am also yet to get an answer on the issue raised by the Financial Times: the UK said it won’t charge VAT on personal imports, but isn’t this a huge incentive for people to drive from Belfast to Dublin, buy stuff there, claim VAT back at the EU border, and drive back home with their VAT-free goods? What will happen to NI retailers? Brexiters’ silence gets more deafening by the day. Btw, again, this is about VAT, NOT about the exchange rate.

Personal imports and personal use, quite readily understood phrases. How will they claim VAT back if they do not get the purchase checked at the border? If they do get checked then the flip side is that they will have to pay for the import VAT. Who's going to refund VAT without seeing where it will get charged? It's how it happens throughout the EU why is going to change?

If people wish to try and exploit loopholes then they will try. Some already trying to bring back white vans full of booze and fags to punt out so Brexit will affect this how?

Invented problems.

BikingBud

Herzlos wrote: »

Or there are details you are missing / choosing to ignore. How do we handle diverging standards with no border?

Please advise how and what standards you think will diverge?

Standards do not know or recognise where the borders are anyway. People or Nations decide what standards they wish to apply.

Many countries outside the EU select ENs which generally stem from an amalgamation of DIN and BS because they see the benefit. You might also be surprised to learn that some EU countries don't comply with current standards and legislation, so again EUtopia is something of a fallacy.

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

Who is potentially making that accusation?

If YOU don’t see it in the subtext then just wait and see.

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

If YOU don’t see it in the subtext then just wait and see.

Just humour me and tell me why you think in the event of a no deal some Brexiteers will claim that the EU threw us out.
The nearest scenario to that would be the view that the EU had an opportunity to grab a deal with U.K. but chose otherwise.
Is that what you mean?

adindas

Herzlos wrote: »

Or there are details you are missing / choosing to ignore. How do we handle diverging standards with no border?

I am not missing the detail

As it is per my post #461. Regarding the Irish Border, It is only the blind cannot see that, the EU keep making the Irish border as an issue because they want to keep UK as a cash cow and subservient of the EU under ECJ. Also EU is worried if the UK triump in the future that will be the end of the EU.

[FONT=&quot]About the standard. Do you actually speak to the topics you understand good? The international standard will only converge not diverge. That is the point a standard is it not ??[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The Internatioaal standard for proprietary, industrial and commercial is The ISO. Any country in the world will converge to this ISO standard, not the EU standard. In the meanwhile the standard of many UK.EU standard is already aligned with ISO the International standard. Suggesting that standard will diverge is nonsense. It is the interest of ANY single country on earth, including EU Countries, UK to converge to ISO otherwise it is difficult to sell their item to international audience. That is the main purpose of having standard is it not.[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The future of the world is in Asia which adopt ISO for the international standard they have not have it yet, they do not use EU Norm. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]This is just a few examples equivalent of EU, DIN, BS equivalent
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[FONT=&quot]https://technifast.co.uk/standards-iso-din-bs-[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Also, there is the Independent of ISO arm. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For Electrical Goods, Equipment, the international standard ISO the IEC. IEC is defining international standard for anything related to electrical, electronics communication the ISO will just adopt it. That is the way the standard work. There will be any equivalent of IEC [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]IEC, itself is not the EU body the head quarter is in Geneva. [/FONT]

BikingBud wrote: »

Question to Herzlos
Please advise how and what standards you think will diverge?

Standards do not know or recognise where the borders are anyway. People or Nations decide what standards they wish to apply.

Indeed. That is the purpose of having the standard. The international standard [FONT=&quot]for proprietary, industrial and commercial [/FONT]is ISO not EU Norm, DIN (in Germany) or BS. Although many of these standards already equivalent with ISO.

Sailtheworld

Tromking wrote: »

Just humour me and tell me why you think in the event of a no deal some Brexiteers will claim that the EU threw us out.

I know the answer. If it comes to pass that a no-deal disorderly brexit causes damage to the economy & people's lives as predicted by most experts (experts..pah) then some brexiteers will claim it's because the EU threw us out.

Why? Because nothing, no matter what, could be the fault of the glorious brexit.

Others will be pretend they never voted for it - it bit like those UKIP voters who, despite being told exactly what UKIP were about, wore it loud and proud up until the employment of Tommy Robinson gave them little room for plausible deniability. Then they moved to the brexit party which, to most people, looks like UKIP but offers some temporary cover.

gfplux

gfplux wrote: »

My money is on the two way bet.

1) A few tweaks of the existing withdrawal/transition/political understanding DEAL and it gets approval from Parliament.

2) No agreement but a further extension of six months.

Curious that Britain wants to leave but if the EU just lets the deadline HAPPEN and on November 1st Britain is out the EU will be accused of throwing Britain out of the EU. We do live in strange times.

Well my option 1) looks firmly off the table after Johnson’s appearance for the Sun newspaper AND Talk Radio
This from Politico.eu email this morning.

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SO IT’S NO DEAL? Batten down the hatches. Britain appears to be heading for a no-deal Brexit on October 31 after Boris Johnson laid down new red lines ahead of his expected arrival in Downing Street next week. The odds-on favorite to be Britain’s next prime minister told a Sun/TalkRADIO hustings last night that even if the EU does agree to renegotiate Theresa May’s Brexit deal — far from a given — he would not be satisfied with the sorts of concessions other Brexiteers have been demanding. “No, is the answer,” Johnson said, when asked if he would accept a time limit on the all-important Irish backstop. “No to time limits, or universal escape hatches, or all these kind of elaborate devices, glosses, codicils and so on that you could apply to the backstop. I think the problem is very fundamental.” Instead, Johnson wants the whole backstop idea abandoned. Reuters has the story. POLITICO’s take on the event here.
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It can not be a negotiating ploy as this is a public debate addressed to the domestic British voter.