Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

Remoaners again, this time twice. We Remainers just switch off when you name calling drowns out the rest of your post.

But I bet you think that Arklight's incessant bile that he pours on Brexit supporters has you chortling in your coffee.

buglawton

Herzlos wrote: »

You still have the big issue of grey imports - nothing with that system stops me loading up a small van / car / trailer with goods that are either cheaper on one side or illegal on one side and driving across. Or worse - migrants; I could collect a people carrier/minibus full of illegals in Dublin and then drive them right over the border into the UK.

Quite, and mainland EU is rife with scams exploiting VAT refund schemes and VAT differences. It's whack-a-mole over there.

buglawton

RealElement47 wrote: »

There isn’t enough time left to Oct to prevent the kind of disruption that the uk has never seen

Well we had WW2 and didn't have the luxury of postponing that until were 'ready'.

Sailtheworld

buglawton wrote: »

Well we had WW2 and didn't have the luxury of postponing that until were 'ready'.

Brexit isn't WWII so we do have the luxury.

SouthLondonUser

Herzlos wrote: »

They can also do the same to handle import/export between Eire/UK and EU/UK at warehouses rather than a border checkpoint, I'm pretty sure they do that at the Swiss border. However, you'd still need spot checks (like the Swiss border) and it only works for those that pre-declare.

And I remember a recent BBC Panorama, according to which most firms are not ready to pre-declare as they have not registered.

Herzlos wrote: »

You still have the big issue of grey imports - nothing with that system stops me loading up a small van / car / trailer with goods that are either cheaper on one side or illegal on one side and driving across. Or worse - migrants; I could collect a people carrier/minibus full of illegals in Dublin and then drive them right over the border into the UK.

EXACTLY THIS!!

How pre-declaring or doing checks away from the border solves these issues is beyond me. But I cannot say it, otherwise Brexiters tell me they have already answered this (not really…) or come back angrily saying “how dare I demand an answer”.

I am also yet to get an answer on the issue raised by the Financial Times: the UK said it won’t charge VAT on personal imports, but isn’t this a huge incentive for people to drive from Belfast to Dublin, buy stuff there, claim VAT back at the EU border, and drive back home with their VAT-free goods? What will happen to NI retailers? Brexiters’ silence gets more deafening by the day. Btw, again, this is about VAT, NOT about the exchange rate.

lisyloo

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Brexit isn't WWII so we do have the luxury.

No we don’t.
Eu have said they won’t postpone without a good reason.
We are not in charge.

We don’t take back control with a no deal brexit.
The french are in charge of the port of Calais.
We don’t exist in a vacuum.

SouthLondonUser

adindas wrote: »

Noone has ever suggested it will be business as usual as if two countries were in the EU. Expecting this sort of thing is senseless.

That’s not quite correct
https://news.sky.com/story/ireland-border-brexit-fears-scaremongering-10247026
“"I believe that the land border with Ireland can remain as free-flowing after a Brexit vote as it is today,"
The NI Secretary famously said that, not a bloke down the pub.
So you agree that what she said was nonsense? It’s good to finally see Brexiters calling out the nonsense of fellow Brexiters.

BikingBud wrote: »

So VAT is not standard across Europe

Yes. And so what? Is this a valid reason to Brexit? Or does this make the Irish border problem go away. I do not understand how this is relevant; care to explain?

BikingBud wrote: »

EU Co-operation:
“
Austria closes country roads to German travelers
Tyrol province will restrict access to country roads, which travelers use to avoid traffic and tolls. The move is the latest escalation between Germany's state of Bavaria and Austria over cross-border transportation.”

Schengen? Open borders?

Pish

Again, I fail to see how this could in any way possibly be relevant. Care to explain?
Yes, there is a spat between two countries. Yes, oh the shock and horror, EU countries don’t all love each other and don’t sing kumbaya by the fire. Well, so what? Again: is that a reason to Brexit? Does it make the Irish border or any of the countless other issues Brexit will cause to go away?

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm willing to bet the usual Leavers will be the ones claiming that the EU kicked us out. Particularly those claiming that a hard border will be because the EU wants it.

Really?
Most Leavers I know are itching for Art 50 to be expedited and realise that its our own politicians who are holding up the democratic imperative to leave.

Sailtheworld

lisyloo wrote: »

No we don’t.
Eu have said they won’t postpone without a good reason.
We are not in charge.

We don’t take back control with a no deal brexit.
The french are in charge of the port of Calais.
We don’t exist in a vacuum.

Quite. It's hardly like 1939 and not being to postpone the threat of invasion which is what the poster attempted to infer. I don't know why WWII metaphors keep being used in the context of brexit.

We just need some Dunkirk spirit!

Herzlos

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

I am also yet to get an answer on the issue raised by the Financial Times: the UK said it won’t charge VAT on personal imports, but isn’t this a huge incentive for people to drive from Belfast to Dublin, buy stuff there, claim VAT back at the EU border, and drive back home with their VAT-free goods? What will happen to NI retailers? Brexiters’ silence gets more deafening by the day. Btw, again, this is about VAT, NOT about the exchange rate.

Or just buy it online from the Eire store's website and have it delivered to anywhere in the UK, assuming they provide a way to reclaim the Eire VAT. Allowing that would completely destroy the UK retail model or remove all of the VAT income for everything that gets moved over.