Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

LHW99

Let’s see what the polls look like in a few weeks time when boris starts rabidly courting all those Brexit party voters and jeremy’s still hiding in a cupboard

Its got to be Boris - we can't have two parties lead by a Jeremy we'll never know who it is in the cupboard

Thrugelmir

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

I know there will be grumbling from the usual suspects that it's from the Guardian - but the key message seems reasonable: that the Tories are backing themselves into a corner from which they will find it very difficult to escape...

Meanwhile Labour's timebomb ticks away. The plant at the TV show the other night is a clear indication of the rot at the core of the party.

Herzlos

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Any backstop is meant to be temporary, but that depends on the eu negotiating in good faith. I really do not see that happening because they do not want anyone to leave.

The backstop is very much temporary, but it can only be dissolved when the EU is happy we've solved the problem. Making it time-limited only makes sense if you're expecting to never solve the problem and still drop the backstop, which would dissolve any agreement the backstop is guaranteeing.

The EU is insisting on it to prevent the UK (which has given itself a bad reputation in this) from acting in bad faith.


The EU isn't doing anything we wouldn't, they aren't being unfair to us.

Takedap

Herzlos wrote: »

The backstop is very much temporary, but it can only be dissolved when the EU is happy we've solved the problem. Making it time-limited only makes sense if you're expecting to never solve the problem and still drop the backstop, which would dissolve any agreement the backstop is guaranteeing.

The EU is insisting on it to prevent the UK (which has given itself a bad reputation in this) from acting in bad faith.


The EU isn't doing anything we wouldn't, they aren't being unfair to us.

We certainly have a history of letting deadline whoosh by. I wouldn't trust our Government to stick to one. That's why we are where we are.

BikingBud

Takedap wrote: »

We certainly have a history of letting deadline whoosh by. I wouldn't trust our Government to stick to one. That's why we are where we are.

I wouldn't trust our government, or Parliament come to that.

Zero_Gravitas

BikingBud wrote: »

I wouldn't trust our government, or Parliament come to that.

But surely parliament is composed of people who have been voted in by their constituents - and therefore must represent the “will of the people”. So if you can’t trust the “will of the people” about parliament, how come it can somehow be trusted over brexit?

BikingBud

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

But surely parliament is composed of people who have been voted in by their constituents - and therefore must represent the “will of the people”. So if you can’t trust the “will of the people” about parliament, how come it can somehow be trusted over brexit?

That's rather naive expecting politicians to represent and enact the will of the electorate.

If that was the case we would no longer be in the EU.

You appear to have bypassed the shenanigans of the last 3 years.

Zero_Gravitas

BikingBud wrote: »

That's rather naive expecting politicians to represent and enact the will of the electorate.

If that was the case we would no longer be in the EU.

You appear to have bypassed the shenanigans of the last 3 years.

Not all all. The shenanigans of the last three years has largely been caused by the will of the people. The 2017 election was intended by the conservatives to confirm and reinforce the “will of the people” and give them an increased majority. “The will of the people” was that they didn’t want that at that time...

Nobody currently has any idea what the “will of the people” is - except that it is largely irrelevant compared to the 0.25% of the population who will choose the next Prime Minister.

Herzlos

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

But surely parliament is composed of people who have been voted in by their constituents - and therefore must represent the “will of the people”. So if you can’t trust the “will of the people” about parliament, how come it can somehow be trusted over brexit?

Therein lies the rub, as they say. We voted in 650 people to represent us and do what they think is best for us, and internal party politics has brought the whole process to a screeching halt. We really should drain the swamp, but being that the problem characters are the ones who'd call the election that'll remove them from power, and their own goal is power, I can't see it happening.


The Brexit party just makes it worse - we'll just be clearing our Parliament but re-filling it with the same sort of characters, but ones that are more proudly right wing.

mayonnaise

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

So if you can’t trust the “will of the people” about parliament, how come it can somehow be trusted over brexit?

Don't you know by now that the only will of the people that counts is the one expressed in that advisory referendum 3 years ago.
It's like the 10 commandments. Set in stone forever.