Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

chaostheory

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

It is the Irish who are insisting on no movement on the backstop, it is the irish that are trying to prevent us from leaving. They have no care for what we want.

It is the British who have no plan for the border. The Irish never asked for any of this.



Where is the plan?

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

Sure, you may want to believe that it won't be that bad, but what if it is?

Then you'll be right and I'll be wrong.
Its a judgment call.

lisyloo

chaostheory wrote: »

It is the British who have no plan for the border. The Irish never asked for any of this.
Where is the plan?

Sajid has a detailed plan apparently


https://www.teletrader.com/javids-backstop-plan-blocked-by-uks-treasury-report/news/details/47503808?ts=1560951852473

Thrugelmir

chaostheory wrote: »

It is the British who have no plan for the border. The Irish never asked for any of this.

If Scotland achieves independence the boot will be on the other foot.

Enterprise_1701C

Herzlos wrote: »

Why should they care what we want? We don't care what they want.


They need to insist on the backstop, because if we renege on the WA then it'll be disastrous for them.

If we want to get rid of the backstop, we need to suggest something that renders it unnecessary.

But there is a good chance it is going to cause the very problem they are trying to avoid.

Herzlos

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

But there is a good chance it is going to cause the very problem they are trying to avoid.

Best to deal with it properly and at once, then to have to scramble to clean up after the UK violates the terms.

If the UK won't agree to a permanent backstop, or come up with a solution to the border, then a border will go up and/or we'll lose NI.

Thrugelmir

Tromking wrote: »

We patently haven't lost most of our car industy and the argument that what we have lost is due to Brexit is at best highly debateable and at worst completely untrue.

Car industry has momumental change on the horizon. Going to be winners and losers. Along with new kids arriving on the block.

borntobefree

Brexit and the current Conservative leadership debate : With apologies to Alfred Lord Tennyson

Half a league half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the United Kingdom:
'Forward, the Brexit Brigade!
Charge for the guns' he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the Tory !!!!!s.
'Forward, the Brexit Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd ?
Not tho' the soldier knew
Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do & die,
Into the valley of Death
Rode the Tory Brexit Brigade.
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley'd & thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and stupidly ,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the Brexit Brigade.

Tromking

Labour on the cusp of declaring themselves a Remain party and pushing for a 2nd referendum apparently. That elicits a negative response from 20 odd Labour MP’s in Leave seats. Could TM’s deal sneak through with the support of disaffected Labour MP’s anxious to hold onto their seats?

SpiderLegs

Herzlos wrote: »

Best to deal with it properly and at once, then to have to scramble to clean up after the UK violates the terms.

If the UK won't agree to a permanent backstop, or come up with a solution to the border, then a border will go up and/or we'll lose NI.

You’re spot on. Of course the bit you’ve missed out is that without this border/agreement, it’ll be the EU that are violating terms just as much as the UK.

So when Japan (for example) complain to the WTO about the EU not enforcing their own trade borders, what will their response be?

The EU and the UK will both be in the dock, so why on earth some ardent remainers think it’s all down to the latter to resolve god only knows.

The folly of splitting withdrawal from future relationship I’m afraid....