Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Tromking

Takedap wrote: »

However, it's good of you to finally admit that you are expecting damage & not the "Brexit Bonus" that we were promised.

Did I claim there wouldnt be damage and did I promise you a Brexit Bonus?

Takedap

Tromking wrote: »

Did I claim there wouldnt be damage and did I promise you a Brexit Bonus?

No I suppose you personally didn't......


So it must have been pure vindictiveness.

Tromking

Takedap wrote: »

No I suppose you personally didn't......


So it must have been pure vindictiveness.

Only in part was I being vindictive to be fair.

SpiderLegs

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Any backstop is meant to be temporary, but that depends on the eu negotiating in good faith. I really do not see that happening because they do not want anyone to leave.

I have no real objection to the WA, as it is purely the divorce agreement, but we really should have insisted on negotiating the trade deal at the same time as the divorce. I have my suspicions about why the eu did not wish to do this, and the more I look at the eu's negotiating strategy the more it seems to be designed to force us to remain.

If we go with the WA, and the eu mess about with the trade deal, then I am pretty sure we could take them to court and tell them to get stuffed on the grounds that they did not negotiate in good faith.

As for the idea that the border checks could be in the Irish sea, well, with that it was feared that the eu was basically trying to take over NI, and I really would not put it past them.

I think there’s a fair amount of paranoia from many leavers about the eu’s tactics. They quite rightly want the best they can get, same as we do.

And I seriously doubt they want us to remain because it doesn’t help their wider agenda. The problem was TM being totally ducking useless and caving in on everything. She, her team and her approach are the real disasters in this mess.

My big plan means everyone (Eire, UK, NI, EU) has some hassle to manage, but nothing that significant in the wider scheme of things. Internal Border stays open, but goods through have to be checked. It’s hardly a big deal really. The Dup should be told that that is their choice. Hard border or goods checks back to the UK. Call the bluff. The EU should do the same to eire.

Zero_Gravitas

Interesting opinion piece in the Guardian yesterday (before Javid was eliminated):

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/rory-stewarts-exit-means-the-tories-have-now-given-up-on-reality/ar-AAD7DLj?ocid=spartanntp

I know there will be grumbling from the usual suspects that it's from the Guardian - but the key message seems reasonable: that the Tories are backing themselves into a corner from which they will find it very difficult to escape...

Takedap

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

Interesting opinion piece in the Guardian yesterday (before Javid was eliminated):

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/rory-stewarts-exit-means-the-tories-have-now-given-up-on-reality/ar-AAD7DLj?ocid=spartanntp

I know there will be grumbling from the usual suspects that it's from the Guardian - but the key message seems reasonable: that the Tories are backing themselves into a corner from which they will find it very difficult to escape...

There's a good chance that the death of the Tory party will be on 1st Nov when the UK is still in the EU or slightly later if we've crashed out.



The bigger problem will be whatever then replaces them.

SpiderLegs

mayonnaise wrote: »

It's going to be an interesting September - October, when the brexit delusions once again meet reality.

Doubt it will take that long to get interesting.

lisyloo

SpiderLegs wrote: »

Doubt it will take that long to get interesting.

Why?
We don’t have a leader until end jul and then a recess during August.

SpiderLegs

lisyloo wrote: »

Why?
We don’t have a leader until end jul and then a recess during August.

And three weeks of conferences too don’t forget!

Let’s see what the polls look like in a few weeks time when boris starts rabidly courting all those Brexit party voters and jeremy’s still hiding in a cupboard

Arklight

Tromking wrote: »

OK Arky, we've gleaned you think you're smarter than the average leave voter. Trouble is, votes are not weighted to favour the wishes of your average terminally entitled liberal.
Suck it up.

Maybe I'm smarter than the average Leave voter, by virtue of not being a Leave voter. :A