Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

evenasus wrote: »

Who is we?

You'd prefer a Marxist type of government?

"We" = sane people who don't want a Boris "No Deal" Brexit.

[FONT=&quot]Unwittingly, Johnson began his speech extolling the benefits of EU membership by commending the strengths of the British economy, which remains in the EU. But perhaps his most bizarre claim was that Britain will have more leverage by being better prepared for no deal. Johnson will tell EU leaders that Britain is prepared to cut off its nose to spite its face because it has a pile of bandages at the ready. In truth, no deal would be bad for the EU but far worse for us. The European single market accounts for[/FONT]nearly half our international trade[FONT=&quot]; for no major EU economy[/FONT]does the UK account for more than 10%[FONT=&quot]. Moreover, UK trade with dozens of other countries is structured through EU trade agreements. It would be like placing sanctions on ourselves.[/FONT]

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BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Tromking wrote: »

Bad day for the Brexit wreckers yesterday. Magic Grandpa’s sop to his large pro-Remain rump was quite rightly voted down and the new PM still has no deal on the table. Despite the utterances of Dominic Greive and his ilk, I still can’t imagine a situation where enough Tories MP’s will vote down their own Government and egro let Corbyn into power.

It wasn't a good day. But it was Labour who let us down yeaterday. 10 traitors voted with the government and 13 abstained. 10 Tory MPs voted with the opposition.


And yes Tory MPs will stop being Tories to bring down a no deal. It only takes 3.

Moby

Tromking wrote: »

Sounds like yet another time served Civil Servant struggling to adapt to the new direction the British people have set. Easy to forget the left behind former pit villages of Northern England when you’re sipping cocktails in the Raffles Hotel on an expense account.

Alternatively he could be a person in a position to know what he's talking about?

Talking about the liberal elite criticism that you do tend to use a lot......what is the public services, worker friendly brexit based on..... you clearly like me loathe the union bashing free marketeers who seem to be driving brexit .....who represents your vision? I've never seen a coherent argument for brexit that will avoid putting hard won workers rights at risk?

Tromking

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

And yes Tory MPs will stop being Tories to bring down a no deal. It only takes 3.

There’s a special place in Tory hell for anyone who enables a Corbyn Government, and expect abstentions rather than votes in favour to be key in any future no confidence vote.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Tromking wrote: »

There’s a special place in Tory hell for anyone who enables a Corbyn Government, and expect abstentions rather than votes in favour to be key in any future no confidence vote.

Well, I don't think that a Corbyn Government will ever happen.


But what a dreadful choice : Boris or JC?


I think allowing members to vote for leaders of our political parties has been a disaster. We should go back to allowing the MPs to pick leaders.

borntobefree

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

Well, I don't think that a Corbyn Government will ever happen.

The Polls are all over the place. Anything could happen!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election



Polling data at bottom of the page.

mayonnaise

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

But what a dreadful choice : Boris or JC?

Boris all the way.

We NEED a deluded brexiteer at the helm for a while. When it all goes tits up, unicorns exposed, we might get back to some kind of normality.

Takedap

Tromking wrote: »

There’s a special place in Tory hell for anyone who enables a Corbyn Government, and expect abstentions rather than votes in favour to be key in any future no confidence vote.

Notice now that none of the Tory leadership contenders are talking about what's good for the country. They are only interested in saving the party.


What happened to the "Easiest deals in human history" which would lead us into the "sunlit uplands"?


Now it's just "get this s#!t over with before it destroys us"


I wonder if the Classics graduate in chief has the phrase "Pyrrhic victory" buzzing round his skull?

triathlon

Nasqueron wrote: »

On what basis though? What is the "justifiable" case? The fact one person was born on one side of some imaginary, man-made line on a map and another was born on the other? Lines that have no meaning in the grand scheme of things?


The first generation of EU migrants contribute, on average, £1.48 for every £1 they get from the UK. How much does a person in the UK on benefits contribute to the system? How much does a career mum who pops out sprogs at regular intervals and never works a day in her life, vs a hard working EU citizen who pays taxes from day of arrival into a job?

I agree, and probably so does the two main political parties, even though the Tories will make anti immigration noises to please the Gammons. Since the stupid June 2016 referendum we have still allowed in over 1,000,000 mostly hard working new immigrants, they are not being scared off by the far right etc, thanks goodness, and I and many others hope it continues.

Tromking

triathlon wrote: »

I agree, and probably so does the two main political parties, even though the Tories will make anti immigration noises to please the Gammons. Since the stupid June 2016 referendum we have still allowed in over 1,000,000 mostly hard working new immigrants, they are not being scared off by the far right etc, thanks goodness, and I and many others hope it continues.

Another bitter Remainer theory that the UK is now a racist and xenophobic nation totally debunked. I think I read somehere that British attitudes to immigration were the most positive in Europe.
If only we could now tackle the racist, xenophobic, ageist and generally negative views Remainers hold toward their fellow countrymen who voted Leave.