Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Arklight

shaggydoo wrote: »

I don't believe you. I was in the Labour Party for 30 years and I know that Labour members are obsessed with Palestine and I heard loads of Anti-Semitic stuff over the years......

It must have been nice for you to have spent three decades feeling so superior to everyone.

gfplux

buglawton wrote: »

Where exactly is that quote from or did you pick a selection and bundle them together yourself?

As you didn't mention that the funding will come from increased NI and part of the don't-pay-£39BN-ransom dividend.

I quoted as I said in the THIRD LINE directly from the Politico.eu daily email. One continues passage not edited.

buglawton

gfplux wrote: »

I quoted as I said in the THIRD LINE directly from the Politico.eu daily email. One continues passage not edited.

Good news for top rate tax payers. Boris not only promising huge amounts for the NHS but a major cut in income tax for high earners.
This from Politici.eu daily email this morning.

Ok, it's just the way I read it, it looked like it was the 1st 2 lines that came from the email you referred to. Re read your post you might see what I mean.

StevieJ

Anyone remember this? Leave the EU to protect our NHS.
Who do you think the NHS is safer with, EU V US (TTIP) or a deal negotiated via Trump and Johnson

The NHS will be at risk of further privatisation if Britain stays in the EU because of the major trade deal being negotiated with the US, David Owen will say on Wednesday.
Lord Owen, who was health secretary for Labour in the mid-1970s before co-founding the SDP, said it would be impossible to take the NHS back to its original purpose unless the UK votes to leave in the June referendum.

https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/brexit-necessary-protect-national-health-service-ttip-says-david-owen/

phillw

buglawton wrote: »

As you didn't mention that the funding will come from increased NI and part of the don't-pay-£39BN-ransom dividend.

Is the £39 billion bill we've already run up, and are now going to default on, magic money that can be spent and re-spent every year?

What will happen when the poor realise they have been stitched up paying increased NI to fund a tax cut for the rich?

I can't work out if boris is trying to get elected.

Tromking wrote: »

Aww Bless.:)

What a surprise, making a misleading statement and then acting superior when it's pointed out and you can't cope that you're wrong.

Malthusian

StevieJ wrote: »

Anyone remember this? Leave the EU to protect our NHS.
Who do you think the NHS is safer with, EU V US (TTIP) or a deal negotiated via Trump and Johnson

One of the most hilarious aspects of Brexit was when TTIP went from a neoliberal threat to the NHS that must be stopped to a shining beacon of international co-operation that only bigoted Little Englanders objected to. Literally overnight.

TTIP was an awful thing until it looked as if Brexit would kill it off in the UK, then overnight it became an awesome thing, solely on "the enemy of Brexit is my friend" grounds.

phillw

Malthusian wrote: »

TTIP was an awful thing until it looked as if Brexit would kill it off in the UK, then overnight it became an awesome thing, solely on "the enemy of Brexit is my friend" grounds.

Every time people mention the NHS then people's brains disengage and they become panicked. It's why there was a miniscule vote in favor of voting to leave because of the lie bus.

What is funny is that you haven't noticed just how easy you are all to manipulate.

buglawton

Britain practically invented universal health care which was then copied around the world and much improved on. Other countries have found acceptable ways to properly fund their service while ours stays stuck as a postwar model (now drastically underfunded) and a politicians football.

The UK obstinately refuses to countenance better funding models. Nowt to do with Brexit, we've been easily manipulated for decades.

Herzlos

Malthusian wrote: »

One of the most hilarious aspects of Brexit was when TTIP went from a neoliberal threat to the NHS that must be stopped to a shining beacon of international co-operation that only bigoted Little Englanders objected to. Literally overnight.

TTIP was an awful thing until it looked as if Brexit would kill it off in the UK, then overnight it became an awesome thing, solely on "the enemy of Brexit is my friend" grounds.

I don't follow this argument, when did TTIP become a good thing? It was a bad deal because of the US healthcare provisions (and all the non-disclosure stuff), and that's a significant reason for why the EU didn't agree on it and walked away.


Sure, I guess if you squint hard enough you could say that Brexit killed off TTIP in the UK by leaving the EU (who'd already binned TTIP), but it's in a weaker position to fend off the US on it's own.



With Brexit, will the UK (or potentially just England/Wales) be in a similar position to the EU and just walk away? Or will it be forced to cave to US demands in order to get a trade deal? Wasn't a trade deal with the US one of the main selling points of Brexit?

Herzlos

phillw wrote: »

I can't work out if boris is trying to get elected.

He is, but the first election is only open to the 200,000ish wealthy Tory members and his tax break is a direct bribe.


Once he's PM, he can figure out what lies to tell to get the Tories elected again.