Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

J_Nostin

vivatifosi wrote: »

As a remainer I was very disappointed to hear of Tusk's special place in hell comment.


Such language is not helpful and will only get peoples backs up. Very unstatesmanlike. We need consensus, not yet more division.

Why do you think that even in his homeland of Poland he is reviled?

IMHO many EU top nobs haven't exactly shown themselves to be great examples to the rest of the world regarding Brexit, from Junkers "Pfft" at TM's name being mentioned to Verhofstadts extraordinary almost Hitler-esque spittle-flowing rants.

Never mind creating more division here, don't think for one moment that the rest of the world can't see such people for being exactly what they are - and it certainly isn't pleasant.

Filo25

J_Nostin wrote: »

Why do you think that even in his homeland of Poland he is reviled?

IMHO many EU top nobs haven't exactly shown themselves to be great examples to the rest of the world regarding Brexit, from Junkers "Pfft" at TM's name being mentioned to Verhofstadts extraordinary almost Hitler-esque spittle-flowing rants.

Never mind creating more division here, don't think for one moment that the rest of the world can't see such people for being exactly what they are - and it certainly isn't pleasant.

Whereas you think comparing the EU to Nazi concentration camp guards or the Soviet Union obviously only shows the UK in the best possible light.....

movilogo

Following Tusk's callous comment, I wonder how long before EU army would be deployed to curb any uprising against EU head honchos inside any EU member nations.

The writings on the wall is frightening.

In way, his action actually proves they are getting frustrated that they can't make all people fool all the time. Once UK leaves, it is only matter of time when EU collapses, not whether.

Filo25

movilogo wrote: »

Following Tusk's callous comment, I wonder how long before EU army would be deployed to curb any uprising against EU head honchos inside any EU member nations.

The writings on the wall is frightening.

In way, his action actually proves they are getting frustrated that they can't make all people fool all the time. Once UK leaves, it is only matter of time when EU collapses, not whether.

Anything to back this up apart form the usual EU=Bad and the rest of the world must surely see it because the wise old UK has.

Last polls I saw showed that support for staying in the EU had actually risen in most countries since we started our rather shambolic process towards the exit, those 2 things may be related.

andrewf75

Filo25 wrote: »

Anything to back this up apart form the usual EU=Bad and the rest of the world must surely see it because the wise old UK has.

Last polls I saw showed that support for staying in the EU had actually risen in most countries since we started our rather shambolic process towards the exit, those 2 things may be related.

Indeed. The UK leaving looks like strengthening the EU. While all is certainly not rosy, the numbers of people wanting to leave is very low.

What Tusk says is frustration for sure, but frustration that a usually rational country that everyone usually looks up to is behaving in such a crazy way.

Ill judged comments from Tusk but you can hardly blame him. The Eu has been more patient than we deserve.

I find myself increasingly hoping they don't do us any favours when we beg for extensions etc. We need taking down a peg or two and it will benefit us in the long run. Only by experiencing the full force of it will we expose Brexit for the fantasy it is.

movilogo

Last polls I saw showed that support for staying in the EU had actually risen in most countries since we started our rather shambolic process towards the exit, those 2 things may be related.

Yes, all those polls we can trust - like all polls said remain would win It would be interesting if any country actually dares to offer a referendum to its citizens.

However, I do wonder how many of those EU loving countries are net receipient of EU fundings.

Crashy_Time

movilogo wrote: »

Following Tusk's callous comment, I wonder how long before EU army would be deployed to curb any uprising against EU head honchos inside any EU member nations.

The writings on the wall is frightening.

In way, his action actually proves they are getting frustrated that they can't make all people fool all the time. Once UK leaves, it is only matter of time when EU collapses, not whether.

Exactly, they are getting desperate, like tigers being moved slowly but surely into a pen on the edge of a cliff.

Filo25

movilogo wrote: »

Yes, all those polls we can trust - like all polls said remain would win It would be interesting if any country actually dares to offer a referendum to its citizens.

However, I do wonder how many of those EU loving countries are net receipient of EU fundings.

That is up to the elected government of each of those countries, much though Brexiters seem to get confused between the governments of countries that are in the EU and the EU itself, any country can have a ref on leaving big bad dictatorial EU if it wants to, the EU won't do anything to stop them just like it didn't stop us having one.

The polling pre referendum was never so convincing that it meant Brexit wouldn't happen, in the latter stages it was always pretty close and a one-time referndum is always difficult to poll (turnout is tough to predict, and you can't track changes since the previous vote as there wasn't one).

I always thought there was an enthusiasm gap between Leave and Remain and that a Leave victory was being underpriced, its why I had a bet on leave and made a couple of grand on it!

Filo25

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Exactly, they are getting desperate, like tigers being moved slowly but surely into a pen on the edge of a cliff.

Surely if they were getting desperate they would be offering us everything we are asking for, which doesn't seem to be happening, last time I checked.

I think they may be getting somewhat frustrated, understandable given they spent the best part of 2 years negotiating a deal with the PM, which she then ended up voting against, so that she can go and ask for something which has already been rejected without offering anything new in return, and to add insult to injury there is no guaranteee that Parliament would vote for the deal even if the EU did offer everything they are now being asked for.

If I was in the EU's shoes now I would probably be feeling that the whole exercise is something of a waste of time

Crashy_Time

Filo25 wrote: »

Surely if they were getting desperate they would be offering us everything we are asking for, which doesn't seem to be happening, last time I checked.

I think they may be getting somewhat frustrated, understandable given they spent the best part of 2 years negotiating a deal with the PM, which she then ended up voting against, so that she can go and ask for something which has already been rejected without offering anything new in return, and to add insult to injury there is no guaranteee that Parliament would vote for the deal even if the EU did offer everything they are now being asked for.

If I was in the EU's shoes now I would probably be feeling that the whole exercise is something of a waste of time

No, that would only speed their demise because the other EU countries would be lining up to get concessions and more favourable deals as well, the cornered tiger circles and fights to the end, it doesn`t turn and jump off the cliff. May`s deal is nonsense, it is just remaining under a different name and is dead in the water, just leaving is the only option now, then opening negotiations again with an EU weakened by their upcoming elections to get some proper results. Hopefully the Tory party are also going to be one of the main casualties from all this embarrassing pretence of enacting the will of the voters.