Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Enterprise_1701C

ukcarper wrote: »

If the concern of EU is Irish border I can't understand their stance on backstop as that is the thing that is going to lead to a hard border.

I've been trying to get my head around that one too. It seems rather strange, if they would time limit it it would stand a chance, the very fact they won't time limit it shows they want to continue to control us but at the same time it means they are going to have to put up hard borders according to their rhetoric.

MobileSaver

movilogo wrote: »

how long before EU army would be deployed to curb any uprising against EU head honchos inside any EU member nations. The writings on the wall is frightening.

Sounds interesting. Could you give me some more info on this EU army? How many soldiers are in the EU army? Where is it based? Who controls it and decides what it does and where it goes?

Or are your comments just ludicrous scaremongering?

Rinoa

gfplux wrote: »

I applaud Tusks remarks and thank him for speaking on behalf of the EU27 and the frustration at Britain’s Governmental chaos.

Of course, when the trade deal is negotiated at zero tariffs the backstop won't be needed.

It would have been prudent to negotiate trade at the same time as the withdrawal agreement and we wouldn't now have this problem.

Lets not forget which party insisted on concluding a withdrawal agreement before trade talks could begin.

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

If the concern of EU is Irish border I can't understand their stance on backstop as that is the thing that is going to lead to a hard border.

I never understood the need for the backstop being unilateral, since if we want out of it we just need to ditch the trade agreement and go to WTO.

The EU doesn't want a hard border, but the WTO and customs union require it to protect it's border. There's literally nothing they can do about it which is why the backstop is such a big deal to them.

Herzlos

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I've been trying to get my head around that one too. It seems rather strange, if they would time limit it it would stand a chance, the very fact they won't time limit it shows they want to continue to control us but at the same time it means they are going to have to put up hard borders according to their rhetoric.

A time limit defeats the point. The backstop is only a thing because we can't find a credible solution to the border issue, because of Mays red lines. Solve that issue and the backstop is irrelevant.

Of course we can't solve it because Mays red lines are contradictory. We need a customs union or a border.
The only real solutions are to go for the border and deploy the army to contain the trouble, or allow Ireland to unify.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

A time limit defeats the point. The backstop is only a thing because we can't find a credible solution to the border issue, because of Mays red lines. Solve that issue and the backstop is irrelevant.

Of course we can't solve it because Mays red lines are contradictory. We need a customs union or a border.
The only real solutions are to go for the border and deploy the army to contain the trouble, or allow Ireland to unify.

Nobody allows a united Ireland, it gets voted on by NI citizens. I suspect the British State would secretly welcome a jettisoning of the expensive and troublesome province of NI in the long term anyway.
The only people talking about troops are the Irish Government it has to said.

buglawton

Herzlos wrote: »

A time limit defeats the point. The backstop is only a thing because we can't find a credible solution to the border issue, because of Mays red lines. Solve that issue and the backstop is irrelevant.

Of course we can't solve it because Mays red lines are contradictory. We need a customs union or a border.
The only real solutions are to go for the border and deploy the army to contain the trouble, or allow Ireland to unify.

Customs Union = Free Migration between UK and EU.
That's actually an EU red line.

Herzlos

buglawton wrote: »

Customs Union = Free Migration between UK and EU.
That's actually an EU red line.

False. Customs union only ensures the same rules for goods, nothing a out people.
Turkey has a customs union with the EU but no free movement.

andrewf75

Herzlos wrote: »

Of course we can't solve it because Mays red lines are contradictory.

The whole madness summed up neatly in one sentence

A tough choice needed to be made between keeping an open border and being able to do independent trade deals. May's biggest failure is dodging that choice and pretending a cake and eat it solution was possible.

phillw

This seems like a much better idea https://www.the-postillon.com/2019/01/euxit.html