Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

phillw

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I do not think for one minute that any government would allow the NHS to be included in any trade deal. Unless of course Corbyn comes to power, then anything would be on the table if momentum thought it would provide more money for the unions.

Weirdly it's the brexit supporting politicians who have publicly said they want to break up the NHS.

A vote for brexit is and always was a vote to privatise it.

Fantasies that somehow Jeremy Corbyn would want to split it up, when he's publicly talking about nationalizing everything is delusional and only designed to justify yourself.

cogito wrote: »

Can someone supply any statistics for people taken ill or died as a result of eating chlorinated chicken?

That is a Strawman (quelle surprise), I have never seen a food safety claim over chlorinated chicken.

The argument against chlorinated chicken is that it hides low standards & while it may be effective in some cases then it's not always going to be effective. As chicken produced with lower standards is going to be cheaper then it will either force those with higher standards to drop them, or it will put them out of business.

https://fullfact.org/europe/does-eu-say-its-safe-eat-chicken-rinsed-chlorine/

There is probably an environmental impact of the use of chemicals as well. Supporting chlorinated chicken is saying you don't care about animal welfare or the environment, you just want cheaper chicken to gorge on. Again, quelle surprise.

cogito wrote: »

What makes you think that we can identify the origin of food imported from the EU? Under their ludicrous rules, meat imported from Poland is classified as a UK product if it's packed here.

That would be ludicrous if it was indeed true.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2018/625182/EPRS_BRI(2018)625182_EN.pdf

An indication of the country of origin has been obligatory for unprocessed meat of swine, sheep,
goat and poultry since 1 April 2015.3 The country where the animal was reared and the country of
slaughter need to be indicated on the label.

Do you also believe Boris claim that the EU bans selling bunches of bananas? https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/this-is-fearless-investigative-journalism

Herzlos wrote: »

Remember all the "red tape" Brexit will allow us to cut? That's food standards.

Not just food standards, it's environmental standards and employee rights. Leave voters support polluting the planet while treating animals badly and making children work in sweat shops. You probably don't want to accept that, so you'll pretend that you're a really nice person who doesn't ever make that kind of choice. Even though deep down, you really do.

mayonnaise

Brexiteer Ultras are becoming increasingly desperate.

Tory Brexiteer Dominic Raab threatens to shut down Parliament to get No Deal

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/9234736/brexit-tory-leadership-dominic-raab-no-deal/

What happened to Dom's Priorities?

https://web.archive.org/web/20100416181829/http://www.dominicraab.com/dom_s_priorities.html

Dominic_Raab wrote:

Britain has too much to lose economically by withdrawing from the EU.

lisyloo

mayonnaise wrote: »

Fake news alert.

Didn’t we have a horse lasagne scandal in 2013 when what was advertised on the label wasn’t even the same type of meat

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_horse_meat_scandal

There was a major breakdown in traceability.
This happened within the EU.

How can we be confident that what it says on the label is correct when many of the companies involved unknowingly sold horse meat?

Moby

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-vote-d-day-anniversary-veterans-ww2-eu-europe-a8946046.html
On the 75th anniversary of D-Day, more than 120 military veterans have signed a letter warning that peace and friendship in Europe is threatened by Brexit.
The 122 veterans, whose service spans the period from the Second World War to modern-day conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, said that the peace which has prevailed in Europe since 1945 “should not be taken for granted”.
And they challenged the invocation of wartime patriotism by the Leave camp, pointing out that it was Sir Winston Churchill who called for the creation of a “European family” to prevent another descent into bloodshed.

Churchill’s words helped inspire the creation of the Common Market, which evolved into the European Union with “one main purpose - to create lasting peace by entwining our economies and societies together on a continent once ravaged by war,” they said.
“Nato does not keep the peace in Europe – it keeps peace for Europe. It is the EU that keeps peace in Europe, because when you trade, you do not fight.

lisyloo

Very poignant but we have plenty of indicators already that brexit will be bad in many ways at least short term and it doesn’t overturn the referendum result where people were promised they could choose (unfortunately).

Moe_The_Bartender

phillw wrote: »

That is a Strawman (quelle surprise), I have never seen a food safety claim over chlorinated chicken.

You guys have been claiming for the last 3 years that chlorinated chicken isn't safe. If it is, why do you keep banging on about it?

buglawton

Moby wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-vote-d-day-anniversary-veterans-ww2-eu-europe-a8946046.html
On the 75th anniversary of D-Day, more than 120 military veterans have signed a letter warning that peace and friendship in Europe is threatened by Brexit.
The 122 veterans, whose service spans the period from the Second World War to modern-day conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, said that the peace which has prevailed in Europe since 1945 “should not be taken for granted”.
And they challenged the invocation of wartime patriotism by the Leave camp, pointing out that it was Sir Winston Churchill who called for the creation of a “European family” to prevent another descent into bloodshed.

Churchill’s words helped inspire the creation of the Common Market, which evolved into the European Union with “one main purpose - to create lasting peace by entwining our economies and societies together on a continent once ravaged by war,” they said.
“Nato does not keep the peace in Europe – it keeps peace for Europe. It is the EU that keeps peace in Europe, because when you trade, you do not fight.

So it's a pity then that the EU can't contain itself to being about trade. Instead it's become an ambitious political project.

melanzana

buglawton wrote: »

So it's a pity then that the EU can't contain itself to being about trade. Instead it's become an ambitious political project.

Peace is the word for the EU. Refute it if you want. Trade is a bonus.

UK thinks it is top dog, it is not. And never will be outside their biggest free market of the EU. But anyway. There is no convincing some people that we don't know what we've got till it's gone.

Enterprise_1701C

It is not the eu that has kept the peace, it is the UN and NATO.

Let's face it, the country that seems to think it controls the eu is not known for it's love of peace, more for it's love of controlling other countries.

borntobefree

Yay! The Brexit Party didn’t win Peterborough :T:T:T:T

Good start to the day.