Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

mayonnaise

borntobefree wrote: »

Yay! The Brexit Party didn’t win Peterborough :T:T:T:T

Good start to the day.

On a day when we honoured our veterans' sacrifice confronting fascism 75 years ago, it's still a sobering thought that our own fascist party comes a close 2nd in a by-election.

Honey_Badger

mayonnaise wrote: »

On a day when we honoured our veterans' sacrifice confronting fascism 75 years ago, it's still a sobering thought that our own fascist party comes a close 2nd in a by-election.

Comparing the Brexit Party to the fascists that our brave veterans fought shows two things, your complete lack of knowledge and your extremely poor taste.

lisyloo

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

You guys have been claiming for the last 3 years that chlorinated chicken isn't safe. If it is, why do you keep banging on about it?

I see the chicken as a metaphor for a number of things (a bit like avocado toast).
If we want to leave we need to be aware of several things (as per piers Morgan on question time)

Standards may be different (food, animal welfare as just examples)
The Us are eyeing the NHS and compromise works both ways
America first, America first, American first
Trump will have crack goldman Sachs negotiators. We’ve sent people to the EU with a begging bowl and they’ve come back without the bowl I.e. they have crack negotiators and we’ve been very poor.

We need to be aware of these things if we think were better off negotiating for trade outside the EU.

SpiderLegs

mayonnaise wrote: »

On a day when we honoured our veterans' sacrifice confronting fascism 75 years ago, it's still a sobering thought that our own fascist party comes a close 2nd in a by-election.

Perhaps more sobering, and relevant to labour and Tory HQs is that if boris had been in charge the tories would have won that seat.

:shocked:

lisyloo

SpiderLegs wrote: »

Perhaps more sobering, and relevant to labour and Tory HQs is that if boris had been in charge the tories would have won that seat.

:shocked:

What makes you think boris is popular amongst the public? As opposed to Tory Mps.

kingstreet

lisyloo wrote: »

What makes you think boris is popular amongst the public? As opposed to Tory Mps.

Perhaps more accurate to say popular among Tory members rather than Tory MPs.

If he gets in the final two, he will romp the members' vote. It's getting in the final two, decided by MPs, which is his problem...

StevieJ

lisyloo wrote: »

What makes you think boris is popular amongst the public? As opposed to Tory Mps.

I think that if he had backed staying in the EU I am pretty sure we would not be in this mess now. Is he still as popular with the public, I am not so sure now.

lisyloo

kingstreet wrote: »

Perhaps more accurate to say popular among Tory members rather than Tory MPs.

If he gets in the final two, he will romp the members' vote. It's getting in the final two, decided by MPs, which is his problem...

I think I mis read spiderlegs comment.
I interpreted it at Boris standing for the seat and I’m not sure Boris is that popular with the general public.
However I think I read that wrong.

SpiderLegs

lisyloo wrote: »

I think I mis read spiderlegs comment.
I interpreted it at Boris standing for the seat and I’m not sure Boris is that popular with the general public.
However I think I read that wrong.

I meant in the sense that the tories poll significantly higher with him as leader and the likely effect of that would be to turn a large number of Brexit party votes back to Tory. They held their vote up surprising well given the mess they are in.

Whether the ex-labour Brexit party voters would hold their noses or decide boris as PM is a worse option than no Brexit is anyone’s guess...

Filo25

SpiderLegs wrote: »

I meant in the sense that the tories poll significantly higher with him as leader and the likely effect of that would be to turn a large number of Brexit party votes back to Tory. They held their vote up surprising well given the mess they are in.

Whether the ex-labour Brexit party voters would hold their noses or decide boris as PM is a worse option than no Brexit is anyone’s guess...

Given Remainer/Brexiter identity is stronger for many now than party political affiliation if the Tories can largely consolidate the Brexiter vote under new leadership I think they are in pretty good shape, as I don't see how Labour does that easily with the Remainer vote.