Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Herzlos

SpiderLegs wrote: »

Fantastic results last night all round.

What do you think it means? What's so fantastic about it?

BikingBud

phillw wrote: »

Around 10% of the registered voters backed them, even if you accept that means they all want a WTO brexit then I don't think it's clear they know what that means in practice because in the run up to to vote there is still a lot of inaccurate representations about how that could work.

If anything the low turnout shows that a lot of people actually don't care whether we leave the EU or not.



That is democracy for you, you don't know what parliament will look like when you cast your vote. That is why transferable voting would be much better.



I'd say there is much more doubt about brexit party votes than for lib dem and green. There was just as clear message from those parties that a vote for them was a remain vote as brexit party was a leave vote. Whatever questions there are in the EU are dwarfed by the questions about what a brexit party brexit looks like.

Brexit party supporters are in a blind rage about not leaving, whipped up by farage, they aren't making considered choices.



I'm kinda disappointed, I'm more disappointed by the people misrepresenting that it means anything.

Saying that votes for Brexit party are amazing considering they only became a party six weeks before the election are being dishonest. It would be like channel 4 claiming a success for Great British Bake Off viewing figures. Brexit party is basically the ukips who don't want to get outed by the racists in ukip that have become emboldened with the referendum result and are now outwardly racist. Same as the GBBO viewers now were mostly the BBC viewers that could bring themselves to watch Channel 4

Have you tried re-reading that? You've already had at least on go at editing and it still doesn't make sense. Your contradictions are coming within the same posts now.

SpiderLegs

phillw wrote: »

I'm kinda disappointed, I'm more disappointed by the people misrepresenting that it means anything.

Well the scale of the conservative collapse has basically forced their new leader to accept a 31st October exit date come what may.

The scale of the labour collapse will force them to have an actual policy.

Those two are pretty much given now. I think labour are going to find it just as tough to sort their internal issues as the tories will.

I am biased but the other thing I think this result does is kill off the second referendum. Maybe labour would fall in behind it but the new govt will simply not allow it. I’m sure some will disagree but if parliament acts to force one then the only option for the tories is a GE. I also think it would be a mistake for labour anyway, since a forced GE where they campaign on that platform is pointless.

Rinoa

Herzlos wrote: »

He's undoubtedly good at what he does - empty populist rhetoric. He managed to do all of that whilst not providing any manifesto, details, disclosures, and refusing to answer any questions even those verifying if he still agrees with recorded past statements. No-one knows what kind of Brexit he wants, beyond "just get on with it". Once it comes to the hard questions (like "what do you mean?") he'll slink away again and moan that we're betrayed.

Anyone voting for Farage knew exactly what they were getting. No one can honestly say what the Con/Lab position is on Brexit.

Herzlos wrote: »

He can somehow be a member of the elite whilst campaigning as a man of the people. He was clearly campaigning to keep his MEP job.

You seriously believe Farage want's us to stay in the EU to keep his job? Good grief man. Get a grip.

movilogo

EU election result proves there is strong public support for No Deal Brexit.

BikingBud

phillw wrote: »

I was using an analogy you would understand, half the country hate them https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-23530064 & so it's a perfect analogy for brexit.

There you go again using strong words and prejudices

phillw wrote: »

You have a right to wear red trousers or colour your hair, but you know you are making a statement when you do so. My point is you don't get to choose how people think of you when you make that statement.

Why should I need to worry. I should not be persecuted for my sexuality, preferences, religious or political beliefs yet you continually and aggressively throw derogatory comments and names because you have a different opinion.

phillw wrote: »

I think you don't understand what tolerance is, I tolerate a lot of things that I disagree with.

So why are you so vociferous in calling all those that may have voted for a change xenophobes and racists?

phillw wrote: »

Me thinking you're weird for wearing what you want is not intolerance. I would vote against any ban and help fight off someone that was attacking you for it.

So your public displays of hate towards Brexit voters are supporting the rights to free speech and freedom of thought by demonstrating tolerance to all are they?

phillw wrote: »

Having an initial distrust of people who are not like you doesn't make you xenophobic, it's normal. How you deal with that feeling in the long term does. Voting to be worse off because you don't like people coming to OUR country is a tell.

Presumption and stereotyping why people voted to leave.

Your opinion is that we will be worse off but you continue to demonise those that may have a different opinion.

Yep all very tolerant!

Herzlos

Rinoa wrote: »

Anyone voting for Farage knew exactly what they were getting. No one can honestly say what the Con/Lab position is on Brexit.

And what are they getting?

You seriously believe Farage want's us to stay in the EU to keep his job? Good grief man. Get a grip.

You seriously think Farage cars about anything other than Farage and his mates? He makes a good living off of the EU whilst grandstanding about it, if we remain in the EU and he remains an MEP he can continue that for years.

Filo25

movilogo wrote: »

EU election result proves there is strong public support for No Deal Brexit.

Not remotely 50% though, is it?

Herzlos

BikingBud wrote: »

So why are you so vociferous in calling all those that may have voted for a change xenophobes and racists?

Because the unspecified change is based purely on xenophobia. Migration and rule-taking were the 2 biggest themes, and it's disingenuous to claim that's no xenophobic.


Any other change, and in fact most of the issues blamed on the EU (NHS waiting periods, infrastucture) are down to UK government incompetence.


At least be honest about it

movilogo

Doesn't need to be 50%. Just need to be more than remain