Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Enterprise_1701C

AG47 wrote: »

there is some interesting development currently.

I've followed a guy with the handle Daddy Dragon for a while now.
Long story short, he is a UK man that is an English constitutionalist.

He is currently involved in a crowd sourced court case against Theresa May et al. where the claim is that
England de facto has already left the EU the 29 March 2019 as stated in a law called the European Union Withdrawal Act 2018.

The upcoming court case (if approved) has received zero coverage in the UK mainstream media.
If the court case is accepted and heard he believes the case is so strong that the government will be forced to recognize this as fact.

It would be interesting to hear UK based members feedback to this info.

Links:
Daddy Dragon: Twitter: https://twitter.com/GrahamHmoore ; Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGc...CrlDDow/videos
The court case for those that enjoy reading law: http://robintilbrook.blogspot.com/20...-queen-on.html

Thank you, was wondering what had happened about that. Funnily enough it is rather hard to find anything about it, can't recall where I heard about it but it certainly was not on BBC News!!

Nasqueron

"English constitutionalist" aka Freeman of the Lane types who picks and chooses laws to follow and which he thinks don't apply. Did he claim acts aren't lawful yet?

Nasqueron

Tromking wrote: »

I think you already accounted for the Daily Mail readers when you used the word “thick”. That said, so wrapped up in your nasty invective are you, you’ve obviously missed the Daily Mail’s change of approach on Brexit. Perhaps it’s you that inhabits a bubble and you need to move away from the hackneyed ‘Daily Mail reader’ trope so beloved of the angry, unthinking remain voter desperate to lash out.
Although you paint a damning picture of your fellow countrymen and women, it does display a staggering amount of arrogance on your part to feel you have the right to be so condemnatory of your fellow citizens.
Arrogance does however seem to be a remain voter character trait, so perhaps I shouldn’t be so surprised.

Daily Mail only changed because Dacre was shunted upstairs and Greig has come in with a different view - the Mail readers are up in arms about the shift away

A survey by leave supporter Lord Ashcroft after the vote indicated around a third of leave voters did so primarily to stop immigration, not to say they are racist but certainly a huge chunk of voters simply wanted to stop foreigners coming to the UK and believed voting leave would do that.

p.s. in your signature, you probably know this and are deliberately misquoting Churchill but in case you didn't, Churchill categorically was not stating he was against the EU. It wasn't even a speech or a piece he wrote, it was an off the cuff remark he shouted at de Gaulle during a row just before the Normandy landings back in 1944 and they made up after over dinner.

In 1948 he stated his clear views on Europe

“We cannot aim at anything less than the Union of Europe as a whole, and we look forward with confidence to the day when that Union will be achieved.”

1953 speech to Parliament

“We shall continue to play a full and active part in plans for the political, military and economic association of Western Europe with the North Atlantic Alliance.”

In 1961

I think that the Government are right to apply to join the European Economic Community...”

Moby

Tromking wrote: »

I fear not.
Boris is like cat-nip to any given electorate. In any subsequent election involving BJ and Corbyn, there's only one winner.

You could be right....so how do you think that'll work out for our public services?

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

In other words 65% of the population do not support Brexit.

Nor do they support the views of any of the major parties. :think:

A dangerous void. As history has taught us.

Herzlos

AG47 wrote: »

there is some interesting development currently.

I've followed a guy with the handle Daddy Dragon for a while now.
Long story short, he is a UK man that is an English constitutionalist.

He is currently involved in a crowd sourced court case against Theresa May et al. where the claim is that
England de facto has already left the EU the 29 March 2019 as stated in a law called the European Union Withdrawal Act 2018.

The upcoming court case (if approved) has received zero coverage in the UK mainstream media.
If the court case is accepted and heard he believes the case is so strong that the government will be forced to recognize this as fact.

It would be interesting to hear UK based members feedback to this info.

Links:
Daddy Dragon: Twitter: https://twitter.com/GrahamHmoore ; Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGc...CrlDDow/videos
The court case for those that enjoy reading law: http://robintilbrook.blogspot.com/20...-queen-on.html

I think it completely falls over on the point that international treaty trumps national laws? I'm not sure what happens if a Prime Minister agrees an international treaty in violation of an act of parliament, but I think the treaty would stand and the PM should be held in contempt of Parliament and ideally removed.

If we have already left the EU and are on WTO terms then the most favoured nation clause means we need to import tariff free for everyone

BikingBud

phillw wrote: »

What is happening in parliament is democracy. Why do you keep wanting to undermine it? Just move on.

What is happening in Parliament is a sham. An excessively large group of self interested and very self protective people that are generally out of touch with the people that they are paid to represent.

Democracy and the British political system is broken. Perhaps the failure to deliver Brexit will be the long overdue catalyst for electoral reform.

The EU elections should be really interesting:

YouGov - The Brexit Party remains well ahead of the pack with 35% of the vote, while the pro-EU Liberal Democrats move into second place on 16%, just ahead of Labour on 15%. The Greens and Conservatives make up the top five on 10% and 9% respectively.

Takedap

Nasqueron wrote: »

p.s. in your signature, you probably know this and are deliberately misquoting Churchill but in case you didn't, Churchill categorically was not stating he was against the EU. It wasn't even a speech or a piece he wrote, it was an off the cuff remark he shouted at de Gaulle during a row just before the Normandy landings back in 1944 and they made up after over dinner.

He does know this. It's been pointed out many times & he chooses to ignore it. It's also been mentioned that the supposed quote from de Gaulle is made up but he ignores that too.


Facts & the ability to understand a complex argument aren't his strong points.

Takedap

BikingBud wrote: »

What is happening in Parliament is a sham. An excessively large group of self interested and very self protective people that are generally out of touch with the people that they are paid to represent.

Democracy and the British political system is broken. Perhaps the failure to deliver Brexit will be the long overdue catalyst for electoral reform.

The EU elections should be really interesting:

MPs are elected to act in the best interest of their country & their constituents. If they truly believe that the country is about to commit a massive act of self-harm, it is their duty to try to prevent this.


Even if the majority of the electorate don't understand this.


Don't forget that the people who set Brexit in motion disappeared immediately after the referendum.


Have a look back through the archives & find the footage of Boris Johnson leaving home on the morning after. It looks more like a walk of shame than a victory march.


The EU elections will indeed be interesting. If, as predicted, the Brexit party do extremely well, it will be used as signalling that there is a mandate for the hardest possible Brexit.


If that's what you want, go for it. But don't cry afterwards & don't expect anyone to let you forget who did it.

cogito

Takedap wrote: »

He does know this. It's been pointed out many times & he chooses to ignore it. It's also been mentioned that the supposed quote from de Gaulle is made up but he ignores that too.

You mean de Gaulle didn’t refer to the rest of Europe being just trimmings when meeting Konrad Adenauer at the Elysee Palace in 1963? Is that the one?