Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

BobQ

zagubov wrote: »

One of the things that got me first posting on this forum and one of the few reasons I don't have the same contempt for Mrs May as everybody else does is that, amongst the many bad decisions she made, she defended a vulnerable hacker from extradition.

Mrs May, fill your boots!

Her decision was largely political given the ever growing public condemnation of the effects of the extradition act. Even the ECHR did not think he had a case and multiple courts had confirmed it was a legal decision following the due process.

As usual the US just tried to jail the perpetrator. In reality they should have been more grateful and simply interviewed him as to how despite the fortune they had spent on computer security an individual in another country could gain access to their highly protected systems.

BobQ

Arklight wrote: »

Gosh the Brexiters have gone very quiet. You could hear a pin drop!

Next stop Euro elections, a smashing defeat for the Tories, and a pro Remain ticket for 80% of MEPs. And after that, the polls are looking very good for Prime Minister in waiting, Jeremy Corbyn, and very, very bad for a Tory Party who now appeals to almost none of the under 45s.

Maybe Brexit will turn out better than we thought.

:beer::j

That is the problem, whatever the polls say when it comes down to it people will not vote for him. Even faced with a very bad Tory Party people are still seeking alternatives to Labour. Corbyn's fence sitting has shown him to be a games player not a statesman.

But I agree that the EU elections offer a great opportunity. If only the Lib Dems, Greens, Change UK and SNP could unite behind a single candidate in each European Consituency and campaign on a "Remain" ticket. People would then have the chance to promote a refrendum?

BobQ

Arklight wrote: »

:j

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-general-election-polls-theresa-may-labour-conservative-a8869171.html

Yes but what makes you think that there will be an election for him to win in the next 2 years?

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Rewriting of history doesn't wash. Austerity is far from finished. As a nation we need to learn within our means.

Or even live within them:)

Whether we have reached the end of austerity yet, at what point point do you think politicians who are not suffering austerity should stop throttling those are living in relative poverty?

Arklight

BobQ wrote: »

That is the problem, whatever the polls say when it comes down to it people will not vote for him. Even faced with a very bad Tory Party people are still seeking alternatives to Labour. Corbyn's fence sitting has shown him to be a games player not a statesman.

But I agree that the EU elections offer a great opportunity. If only the Lib Dems, Greens, Change UK and SNP could unite behind a single candidate in each European Consituency and campaign on a "Remain" ticket. People would then have the chance to promote a refrendum?

Well, 16 plus million people voted for him at the last election and Labour are now well ahead in the polls. That's the curious thing about Corbyn, he keeps winning more and more votes but people who won't vote for him appear to be in denial about the trendline.

The latest polls would suggest his strategy has worked for the timebeing. But his strategy is just to continue being him, like with everything else. He said he was 6/10 in favour of Europe and that's always been his position. It's not going to change because it would benefit him electorally, so the electorate can decide if they want a decent and principled man in charge, and get some form of soft Brexit most likely, or a load of fantasy unicorns from another right winger who would sell their own mother as soon as they get into power.

The one thing Corbyn does do historically, if his opinion is out of step with his party or the membership, is take a consensus or allow a free vote. Based on Parliament's recent performance I am not sure that would tell us much.

Crashy_Time

BobQ wrote: »

Or even live within them:)

Whether we have reached the end of austerity yet, at what point point do you think politicians who are not suffering austerity should stop throttling those are living in relative poverty?

There is no real austerity in the UK, it is a joke, people who are genuinely suffering have mental health and/or addiction problems for the most part IMO. You could live well on what our average fatty family throw in their bins every week, and I`m sure many actually do.

Tromking

Crashy_Time wrote: »

There is no real austerity in the UK, it is a joke, people who are genuinely suffering have mental health and/or addiction problems for the most part IMO. You could live well on what our average fatty family throw in their bins every week, and I`m sure many actually do.

Perceptions are King when its comes to things like austerity, and the perception as well as the reality is that our public services are being starved of resources.
Me and the Mrs voted Labour last time out, and recent announcements on things like the abolition of SAT’s and the restoration of my full trade union rights will probably mean they’ll get our votes next time out too.
Corbyn or no Corbyn, the Tories don’t know how cheesed off folk are.

Herzlos

Leave.EU staged footage of migrant attacks, but people still feel it's all above board and no 2nd referendum is needed?
https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-how-leave-eu-faked-migrant-footage

Enterprise_1701C

Last time trade unions had "full" right we were the sick man of Europe.

It cannot be a good idea to let people go on strike in support of people overseas, there must always be a strike on somewhere, especially France.

As for allowing strikes as and when people felt like it, that would be extremely disruptive.

The miners always blamed the government for the closure of the mines, but it was in fact down to the strikers, they refused to allow proper maintenance of the mines so they fell into disrepair whilst the were on strike.

No, Khorbyn would never get my vote for precisely that reason, he would destroy the country. You think it is bad now? 6 months of Khorbyn would see it in the doldrums with no money for anything if he had his way. There would be no extra money for hospitals or schools. If he actually manged to complete 5 years of "government" it would take at least 20 years of reasonable government to get us back to where we are now. Don't forget, he really loves the way Venezuela is governed.

As for what he would do about Brexit? To be able to do what he wants to do he would take us straight out regardless of NI or anything else, there is no way he can follow through on a lot of his policies any other way.

Khorbyn is poison, he will sit down with terrorists but not with someone that has left his party.

gfplux

Sadly another Brexit dividend. The dominos are falling in the automotive supply industry as global suppliers source away from Brexit Britain.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-47955097

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A car parts manufacturer is set to cut 95 staff from its Llanelli factory after a "significant drop in sales".
Japanese firm Calsonic Kansei employs more than 400 people at the Carmarthenshire plant and develops cooling systems and air conditioning components.
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