Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The tax revenues would come in handy. Better than continuing to pay. Likewise the price of many foodstuffs would be greatly reduced.

The tax revenues will come straight out of the tax payers pockets. It's not magic money.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Herzlos wrote: »

The tax revenues will come straight out of the tax payers pockets. It's not magic money.

Indeed.

Under all Government Brexit scenarios the Treasury takes less tax as the economy is smaller than if we Remain. Even when adjusted for our membership fees. We are far better off remaining.

There is no Brexit Dividend.

Only varying degrees of Making Britain Poorer.

zagubov

Arklight wrote: »

His lawyers will argue that the shouldn't be extradited on the grounds that he will neither receive a fair trial or be free from the threat of torture, but I can't see Theresa May upsetting her orange overseer for this uncomfortable truth.

One of the things that got me first posting on this forum and one of the few reasons I don't have the same contempt for Mrs May as everybody else does is that, amongst the many bad decisions she made, she defended a vulnerable hacker from extradition.

Mrs May, fill your boots!

Arklight

zagubov wrote: »

One of the things that got me first posting on this forum and one of the few reasons I don't have the same contempt for Mrs May as everybody else does is that, amongst the many bad decisions she made, she defended a vulnerable hacker from extradition.

Mrs May, fill your boots!

Yes, Gary someone, there was another one as well if I remember correctly.

Herzlos

Gary McKinnon
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

I'd forgotten his appeal was successful, but he seemed to have the media behind him?

Dee_1303

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Indeed.

Under all Government Brexit scenarios the Treasury takes less tax as the economy is smaller than if we Remain. Even when adjusted for our membership fees. We are far better off remaining.

There is no Brexit Dividend.

Only varying degrees of Making Britain Poorer.

The scenarios so far have been way wide of the mark though; none of the "emergency budget" etc. that we were warned of came to pass. Here's the result:

HMRC achieves record tax take

https://economia.icaew.com/news/july-2018/hmrc-achieves-record-tax-take-in-201718

That's after PAYE tax cuts and capital gains tax cuts so even if the economy does shrink a little (which be honest happens regularly during times of recession) it's not cause to cry wolf.

mayonnaise

That's twice in a row now I had to cancel my brexit party. :mad:

Arklight

Brexitwits in action.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/this-brexit-best-claim-five-16115000

'This is Brexit at its best' claim five protesters who blocked off an Aldi
The group of around five people parked their vehicles across the road so delivery trucks could not pass...

... One man wrote on Twitter: "They have blocked the road to a German supermarket distribution centre because they 'don't want German they want Brexit'.... with a German motorhome."

Arklight

Herzlos wrote: »

Gary McKinnon
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

I'd forgotten his appeal was successful, but he seemed to have the media behind him?

He was a vulnerable man with ASD who falls into the category of a "script kiddie." I.e. he learnt some coding on forums, sometimes this is copy and pasted, and used it to hack into computers that were very poorly secured (some of the passwords he cracked were literally the word "password") looking for aliens. Occasionally he left messages on the systems he got into.

It's the computer equivalent of walking down a line of parked cars trying all the door handles, finding a few that are unlocked, looking round them and leaving a silly note in the glove box. Unfortunately the cars he was doing it to belonged to the American government, an organisation not noted for its forgiving nature or sense of perspective. McKinnon was looking at decades in a federal prison for crimes against the American state, an ordeal he almost certainly would not have survived.

As for Theresa May, yes she did block his extradition but she should have. The fact that she did is only of surprise because the beastly woman has been so irredeemably horrid on every other occasion she has had to do the right thing.

Windrush, sending racist Go Home Now vans around the East End, most of everything else she did as home secretary. The fact that among all this she had an opportunity to do the right thing and actually took it, once, doesn't really redeem this awful human being in my eyes.

phillw

Arklight wrote: »

Windrush, sending racist Go Home Now vans around the East End, most of everything else she did as home secretary. The fact that among all this she had an opportunity to do the right thing and actually took it, once, doesn't really redeem this awful human being in my eyes.

It's no surprise she stepped in, Gary McKinnon is white british.

If he'd been a brown immigrant then he wouldn't be vulnerable, he'd be dangerous.