Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

StevieJ

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Last time trade unions had "full" right we were the sick man of Europe.

It cannot be a good idea to let people go on strike in support of people overseas, there must always be a strike on somewhere, especially France.

As for allowing strikes as and when people felt like it, that would be extremely disruptive.

The miners always blamed the government for the closure of the mines, but it was in fact down to the strikers, they refused to allow proper maintenance of the mines so they fell into disrepair whilst the were on strike.

N

'Sick man of Europe' ? I think you got that wrong, that was before we joined the EEC, the place you want us to return to


As to the mines, who was your history teacher? Patrick Minford? The miners were on strike because of plans to close the mines for political/economic reasons i.e. to break the power of the unions/reduce subsidies.

Enterprise_1701C

You can believe what you want, but it was the strikers that caused the mines to be closed. Maybe it was slightly ahead of time, maybe a lot ahead of time, but without maintenance they could not continue.

And we were the sick man of Europe because strikes were crippling the economy. Nothing to do with the common market etc.

I do not want us to return to the 70s, especially not with a socialist government at the helm, I want us to reach out to the future where we can be independent and make our own way in the world, away from the strictures of the protectionist us of e.

The Remainers in the 1975 referendum withheld the true intentions of the eec, that is an acknowledged fact. If we had known which way the eec was headed then I am pretty sure that a lot of people would have voted against, we have always been an independent nation, we are different to the rest of Europe in that we are a separate island, and very few have any real desire to be governed by the eu.

Rinoa

gfplux wrote: »

Sadly another Brexit dividend. The dominos are falling in the automotive supply industry as global suppliers source away from Brexit Britain.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-47955097

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A car parts manufacturer is set to cut 95 staff from its Llanelli factory after a "significant drop in sales".
Japanese firm Calsonic Kansei employs more than 400 people at the Carmarthenshire plant and develops cooling systems and air conditioning components.
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Meanwhile in Spain Nissan is laying off 600 workers.

https://www.plenglish.com/index.php?o=rn&id=40869&SEO=automotive-company-announces-layoffs-of-600-workers-in-spain

Last month Ford announced 5000 job cuts in Germany

https://www.forbes.com/sites/unicefusa/2019/04/08/how-sport-drives-development--and-sets-kids-up-for-success/#439062d724c9

Tromking

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Last time trade unions had "full" right we were the sick man of Europe.

It cannot be a good idea to let people go on strike in support of people overseas, there must always be a strike on somewhere, especially France.

As for allowing strikes as and when people felt like it, that would be extremely disruptive.

The miners always blamed the government for the closure of the mines, but it was in fact down to the strikers, they refused to allow proper maintenance of the mines so they fell into disrepair whilst the were on strike.

No, Khorbyn would never get my vote for precisely that reason, he would destroy the country. You think it is bad now? 6 months of Khorbyn would see it in the doldrums with no money for anything if he had his way. There would be no extra money for hospitals or schools. If he actually manged to complete 5 years of "government" it would take at least 20 years of reasonable government to get us back to where we are now. Don't forget, he really loves the way Venezuela is governed.

As for what he would do about Brexit? To be able to do what he wants to do he would take us straight out regardless of NI or anything else, there is no way he can follow through on a lot of his policies any other way.

Khorbyn is poison, he will sit down with terrorists but not with someone that has left his party.

'Full unions rights' as in the actual right to withdraw my labour within the current union laws.I work in a public service where I am precluded from striking at all.
Parking your rather hackneyed anti-Corbyn rhetoric, I do sense a weariness with the old Thatcherite dogma that has dominated UK politics for 40 odd years and a willingness to give a proper left wing government a try.
Corbyn is a proper Brexiteer though and if McDonnell is going to do the things some of us want him to do then a statist economic policy free from the shackles of a globalist EU is a must.

mayonnaise

Herzlos wrote: »

Leave.EU staged footage of migrant attacks, but people still feel it's all above board and no 2nd referendum is needed?
https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-how-leave-eu-faked-migrant-footage

It's not really news is it? Leave campaign lied, swamped social meedja with fake news and broke campaign spending rules. Every educated, well informed Remainer knows this.

The solution is not to hold a 2nd referendum, but to simply ignore the 1st one and revoke Art.50

When Lance Armstrong was caught cheating, they didn't ask him to race again, they just stripped him of his Tour titles.

Enterprise_1701C

If we had had the full facts for the 1975 referendum then we would almost certainly have been out then.

People thought they were voting on the common market when the truth was that the then government had decided to conceal the fact that they knew where the "common market" was going, they knew that they wanted to kill off independent countries and decided to hide it until it was too late.

Well, hopefully people have come to their senses in time and we will get out of the protectionist behemoth that is the us the us of e. We need to get out to protect our country and our culture.

Herzlos

What facts were missing from the 1975 referendum?

Arklight

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Last time trade unions had "full" right we were the sick man of Europe.

It cannot be a good idea to let people go on strike in support of people overseas, there must always be a strike on somewhere, especially France.

As for allowing strikes as and when people felt like it, that would be extremely disruptive.

The miners always blamed the government for the closure of the mines, but it was in fact down to the strikers, they refused to allow proper maintenance of the mines so they fell into disrepair whilst the were on strike.

No, Khorbyn would never get my vote for precisely that reason, he would destroy the country. You think it is bad now? 6 months of Khorbyn would see it in the doldrums with no money for anything if he had his way. There would be no extra money for hospitals or schools. If he actually manged to complete 5 years of "government" it would take at least 20 years of reasonable government to get us back to where we are now. Don't forget, he really loves the way Venezuela is governed.

As for what he would do about Brexit? To be able to do what he wants to do he would take us straight out regardless of NI or anything else, there is no way he can follow through on a lot of his policies any other way.

Khorbyn is poison, he will sit down with terrorists but not with someone that has left his party.

Do you seriously believe this complete nonsense?

Moby

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

You can believe what you want, but it was the strikers that caused the mines to be closed. Maybe it was slightly ahead of time, maybe a lot ahead of time, but without maintenance they could not continue.

And we were the sick man of Europe because strikes were crippling the economy. Nothing to do with the common market etc.

I do not want us to return to the 70s, especially not with a socialist government at the helm, I want us to reach out to the future where we can be independent and make our own way in the world, away from the strictures of the protectionist us of e.

The Remainers in the 1975 referendum withheld the true intentions of the eec, that is an acknowledged fact. If we had known which way the eec was headed then I am pretty sure that a lot of people would have voted against, we have always been an independent nation, we are different to the rest of Europe in that we are a separate island, and very few have any real desire to be governed by the eu.

In what way are we constrained now from being 'independent'? and who are all these people that are going to drive us forward towards our golden future?....do you think people who voted brexit did so because they are just dying to be freed of the shackles of being in the EU so that they can take advantage of their innate entrepreneurial abilities and drive to implement their business plan? I think your claims are unfounded. One of my friends came here from Lithuania in 2003 and now he owns three shops. The EU hasn't curtailed his freedom in any way!


By the way leaving the EU will not decrease immigration, it will just decrease immigration from EU countries. Your may still regard your 'culture' whatever that is to be at risk from immigration from the rest of the world?

SpiderLegs

BobQ wrote: »

Yes but what makes you think that there will be an election for him to win in the next 2 years?

What makes anyone think that Theresa May will Tory leader at that election either?