Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

wunferall

BobQ wrote: »

Ah a new strategy

A load of cabinet ministers + JRM +IDS, Raab, BoJo etc go to Chequers to come up with a new strategy.

So the PM is talking to the Tory Party and not reaching out to others. Nothing new there then.

Do you think that maybe they will suggest she do nothing?
Because if there is no UK vote to agree the extension which the EU have already voted for, we will by law leave the EU on March 29th as planned.
:think:
Or do you think that maybe they are suggesting she stand aside so that one of them can take us out of the EU?
JRM as PM - you'd like that surely?

It looks like the tactics of some remainers will still (in one way or another) bite them on their proverbial bottoms and lead to no deal Brexit.
:T

wunferall

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Perhaps you should travel a little more outside of this country. As your views appear somewhat narrow minded. Throwing dispersations around does you no favours either.

What with all the effort it takes here there's no time!
:rotfl:
If they really want to see xenophobia they should visit Hungary.
Or the Czech Republic, or Poland, or Germany, or France or ..... oh, they are all EU member countries too.


https://www.euractiv.com/section/future-eu/news/europe-facing-winds-of-xenophobia-spains-sanchez-warns/

Cakeguts

phillw wrote: »

That is exactly how remainers feel when they see leave voters placed in front of tv cameras trying to explain how they voted to leave the EU because their local industries collapsed.



Truth hurts?



EU membership has hidden all the xenophobia building up in the UK, because all the time we were in the EU then there was little point in MPs standing on those issues. I don't see people being able to even think straight until that has died down, certainly the will of the british people isn't something that can be trusted any more.

Whether you agree with EU membership or not, it's clear that the method used to extract the UK from the EU and a large number of people who voted to leave are not good. If you don't see it then you're also part of the problem.

The last part of your post quotes from the Remain propaganda mantra.



This is what I am talking about. Where did you get propaganda from? I don't believe that you asked every Leave voter why they voted the way they did so you must have got that point of view from somewhere in the media. So where did you see it?

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/24/peoples-vote-march-too-big-to-ignore-organisers-warn-mps

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/24/brexit-petition-to-revoke-article-50-reaches-5m-signatures

Momentum is building

BikingBud

phillw wrote: »

That is exactly how remainers feel when they see leave voters placed in front of tv cameras trying to explain how they voted to leave the EU because their local industries collapsed.



Truth hurts?



EU membership has hidden all the xenophobia building up in the UK, because all the time we were in the EU then there was little point in MPs standing on those issues. I don't see people being able to even think straight until that has died down, certainly the will of the british people isn't something that can be trusted any more.

Whether you agree with EU membership or not, it's clear that the method used to extract the UK from the EU and a large number of people who voted to leave are not good. If you don't see it then you're also part of the problem.

But we have to trust the will of the people it is the fundamental premise of democracy. Lest we step back to pre 1918 - 1918 Representation of the People Act

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/millions-working-class-men-got-vote-100-years-ago/

But why is your perspective of a nirvana any more valid than anybody else's?

We asked the people what they wanted. They said Brexit by a democratic majority.

So it seems our democracy has taken a massive knock anyway:mad:

kabayiri

wunferall wrote: »

There you have a fine example of emotive language containing anger and hatred directed towards a huge section of the British population which is a primary causal factor for the ill feeling between schools of thought.

Why don't you see that as a large "part of the problem"?

You will always get negative sentiment from either side of what is essentially a binary decision.

I'm more interested in the lack of breathing space because of the instant on/24x7 nature of modern media and social tools.

Traditional news outlets used to have a time to reflect and assess developments. Now, topics bounce around things like Twitter like a pinball game.

sevenhills

phillw wrote: »

EU membership has hidden all the xenophobia building up in the UK, because all the time we were in the EU then there was little point in MPs standing on those issues..

The Conservatives did promise in both of their recent manifestos to curb immigration to below 100,000; they did not even lower immigration from outside of the EU.

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

Traditional news outlets used to have a time to reflect and assess developments. Now, topics bounce around things like Twitter like a pinball game.

While the vast majority of people are to busy with their daily lives to even bother with.

Arklight

Brexiteers rattled, and in retreat.

Saturday's march has sucked the wind from their sails. Their own crumbling base collapses like a dry biscuit. Brexit is the movement that never was, leaderless and rudderless. Deserted even by its bent billionaire backers.

The illegitimate baby no one wants to hold.

Cakeguts

Arklight wrote: »

Brexiteers rattled, and in retreat.

Saturday's march has sucked the wind from their sails. Their own crumbling base collapses like a dry biscuit. Brexit is the movement that never was, leaderless and rudderless. Deserted even by its bent billionaire backers.

The illegitimate baby no one wants to hold.

I don't know where you have been for the last week but that was not my impression of a small minority of people mostly from the London area enjoying a nice stroll through central London and taking selfies of themselves while doing it.



I am not sure about people who take selfies anyway.