Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

AnotherJoe

Herzlos wrote: »

I don't get the obsession with the estimates either; it seems to be a major topic of conversation for Leavers at the moment, who all seem desperate to try and invalidate the march and petition.

Well, they certainly are invalid as a mechanism for determining what happens

Camerons deal was not , "have a vote and then a march and who has the biggest march wins irrespective the vote result"

Its up to Parliament to decide what "leaving" actually means and then enact that, or to ignore the referendum result and remain, if they can sort their act out, which is debatable (no pun intended).

Herzlos

I agree actually. They don't do much but they do make it hard to claim the will of the people is on the side with a turnout 1000 times smaller.

AnotherJoe

BikingBud wrote: »

But we have to trust the will of the people it is the fundamental premise of democracy. Lest we step back to pre 1918 - 1918 Representation of the People Act

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/millions-working-class-men-got-vote-100-years-ago/

But why is your perspective of a nirvana any more valid than anybody else's?

We asked the people what they wanted. They said Brexit by a democratic majority.

So it seems our democracy has taken a massive knock anyway:mad:

Except that no one actually bothered to define what "Brexit" was. And only now is parliament trying to determine that, including Brexit = don't leave at all !

AnotherJoe

Herzlos wrote: »

I agree actually. They don't do much but they do make it hard to claim the will of the people is on the side with a turnout 1000 times smaller.

Why is there any need to claim where the will of the people is when there was a clear and officially conducted vote!?
Are you seriously suggesting that decisions are made by size of march attendance and that trumps other considerations??

Takedap

Cakeguts wrote: »

I don't know where you have been for the last week but that was not my impression of a small minority of people mostly from the London area enjoying a nice stroll through central London and taking selfies of themselves while doing it.

I believe that there is a counter march arranged for the coming week-end. I wonder if that will be a pleasant stroll through the city? It'll be interesting to compare the behaviour of the two crowds.

ben501

Herzlos wrote: »

I agree actually. They don't do much but they do make it hard to claim the will of the people is on the side with a turnout 1000 times smaller.

You'll never be able to gauge the 'will of the people' from marches.



Sure you'll get a few who march or demonstrate regardless of the status quo, but nearly all those marching at the weekend were probably doing so because they want to change the status quo.


Unless there's a major shift in the government's policy, why would Leave supporters bother. Similarly, if the government turns around and says they're going to cancel Article 50, you may get a few remain supporters going on a victory march, but it's hardly going to be on last weekend's numbers.


And if comments I've seen are anything to go by, cancelling it wouldn't just lead to protest marches, but riots/civil unrest too!


I'm just glad I'm a safe distance from it all.

BobQ

cogito wrote: »

Metropolitan Police estimated the attendance at 370,000. Even if it were 1m, the number pales into insignifaicance alongside the 17.4m who voted to leave.

You were asked for the source of the Metropolitan Police figure (Clue - they have not published one hence the FoI requests)

Cakeguts

Try posting questions where the answers cannot be found on the Remain propaganda script on Facebook and it all goes quiet.



My questions were these.



1 What is the EU doing to stem the rise of parties like Vox in Spain.



2 How does the EU intend to fund itself if the biggest net contributor goes into recession as it is on the brink of doing?



And answer came there none.



I did it to see if any of the people trotting out the usual script actually knew anything about the EU that they kept on trying to remain a part of.



I am actually coming to the conclusion that there has been some serious grooming going on and rather than people bickering about who did what at the March or not we should be doing something to find out who is behind the grooming.

Herzlos

Why should the EU try to stem the rise of any party? As long as it's not illegal they have a voice. If the EU did anything there'd be outrage at them interfering.

If we are a contributor and go into recession our contributions drop and the EU will cut back on spending. It's hardly rocket science here.

Malthusian

Cakeguts wrote: »

1 What is the EU doing to stem the rise of parties like Vox in Spain.

Nothing. Why would it? The raison d'etre of the EU is to render it irrelevant whether the Spanish vote for far-right parties or not.

2 How does the EU intend to fund itself if the biggest net contributor goes into recession as it is on the brink of doing?

It will take a larger slice of productive Germans' income.

Surprised you didn't get an answer to your questions as they're not difficult.

AnotherJoe wrote:

Why does it matter what the attendance was? How many people went on a march doesn't set policy.

It might help them get a sense of perspective - if they want one of course. If they know that their march was smaller than the Countryside Alliance's against the hunting ban (which still happened) or the protest march against the Iraq War (which still happened), they'll feel less disappointment about the fact that the march didn't achieve anything except a chance to get a bit of exercise and indulge in some hatred of the other.