Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Arklight

Cakeguts wrote: »

So on one side you have this and on the Leavers side you get well researched reasons for why they voted the way they did.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

melanzana

UK is so polarised now, I wouldn't be surprised if this issue of leaving EU leads to serious unrest in the future.

That is surely not what anyone wants. But watch the space all the same.

parking_question_chap

Arklight wrote: »

Yes, she does deny writing it, and it was deleted shortly after it was written, when she claimed she found her account was hacked, in January.

The only papers I can find still carrying this story are the Daily Mail and The Sun. And even The Sun is printing the rebuttal.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8702416/brexit-petition-lecturer-threatened-shoot-theresa-may-facebook/

So back to what you think about the phone death threats and torrent of abuse and further threats she has received on social media for starting a petition that almost 5 million concerned people have signed. You think this is justified?

Account hacked? Oh come on pull the other one. Why would somebody hack her account and post one tweet. Complete and utter bo11ocks. I dont agree with her political stance, I would have had more respect for the woman if she just admitted it was a post written in anger and poor taste.

Its okay when a remainer dishes it out, but when the boots on the other foot its tears at bed time.

parking_question_chap

Arklight wrote: »

At the time of writing the online petition to revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU is at 4,696,495 signatories. An unprecedented number which along with today's march signals the seismic shift away from the nihilism of Brexit.

I have no idea how you have reached that conclusion

16 million voted to remain and now several million of those people have also signed a petition. Whoopy doo.

Thrugelmir

melanzana wrote: »

UK is so polarised now, I wouldn't be surprised if this issue of leaving EU leads to serious unrest in the future.

That is surely not what anyone wants. But watch the space all the same.

Indicators are flashing yellow in the USA. Suggesting that things will get worse before they get better.

European manufacturing indicators are negative. The powerhouse of German manufacturing appears to have hit the wall. Only growth in the services sector is stopping it slipping into recession.

Brexit or no Brexit. The UK has plenty of unresolved challenges.

Interesting period may lie ahead.

AG47

melanzana wrote: »

UK is so polarised now, I wouldn't be surprised if this issue of leaving EU leads to serious unrest in the future.

That is surely not what anyone wants. But watch the space all the same.

Especially considering the yellow vest freedom fighters movement is picking up speed.

2011 riots in the uk were very effective showing the people rising up when the government is not pleasing the people enough

Moby

Rinoa wrote: »

Yes. This is the lady who threatened to shoot Theresa May and debated online how to make weapons before marching on parliament.

Those who live by the sword.....

Yesterday my wife went on the march. She said she saw two police officers on the route. Yes just two!


Talking of those who live by the sword....it was a Brexit supporting British nationalist who assassinated a Remain MP.

It is Brexit supporters making credible death threats against MPs.

It was a Brexit supporter who physically assaulted an MP in the street this week.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lloyd-russell-moyle-labour-mp-attack-kemptown-brighton-theresa-may-brexit-a8834366.html

It is Brexit supporters who have been initimidating MPs and journalists with threats of violence and who physically disrupted an English court this week to prevent one of their number facing charges of assault.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/urgent-investigation-after-james-goddard-supporters-disrupt-hearing-a4095891.html

It was a Brexit supporting newspaper which called the UK Supreme Court “enemies of the people”.

It is the leading Brexit political party which has hired as an advisor to its leader someone who employs Polish Nazis as his bodyguards.

It is the Leave campaigns which broke electoral and other laws.

It is the UK Prime Minister implementing Brexit who used a televised national address to incite the “people” against the UK Parliament and elected MPs. Ironically I have seen posters on here calling her treasonous!

It is Brexit supporters who use “liberal” as a term of abuse which can only mean that they wish society to be illiberal.

It is Brexit supporters on here who argue a second referendum is “undemocratic”, who warn that Brexit supporters will take to the streets if they don’t get what they want and who say that any opposition to their views is “unpatriotic” and allude to there being a 'civil war'.

I have yet to see any significant figure in the Brexit movement or any significant numbers of Brexit supporters speaking out clearly against this.

Arklight

The Brexit movement is rotten to the very core. They create hate figures, accuse them of a crime of some sort, and then use this as justification for their vile behaviour.

Astonishing that Brexit posters above this comment appear to not understand that sending people death threats is wrong. Is this what the Right is now? Savages acting with savagery. And they justify themselves twice if their target is a woman.

Thank goodness for the likes of principled people like Gina Miller, Diane Abbott, and the petition lady, for standing firm despite the torrent of misogyny and hatred fired at them from the Smeagols of the Right.

cogito

Cakeguts wrote: »

I think it would be possible to get death threats on the internet just by offering a different opinion. There are some seriously nasty people about.



The thing about that petition is that there aren't 5m people agreeing because it isn't secure enough to stop people from signing it several times. People are also signing it who don't live in the UK and there are no checks that they are UK citizens either.



However when you look at the distribution map of the UK it resembles very closely the distribution of Remain votes in the referendum so it has quite nicely proved that the referendum result is still the wishes of the people of the UK. Most of the people signing it are in London and the South East with the rest of the country not signing which is more or less what happened in the referendum. Most of the people who want to remain appear to be based in or around London. This tends to make me think that they want to remain for personal reasons not for the good of the country.

Spot on. And in university hotspots like Oxford, Cambridge, Edinburgh and so on. Quelle surprise.

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

The Brexit movement is rotten to the very core. They create hate figures, accuse them of a crime of some sort, and then use this as justification for their vile behaviour.

Astonishing that Brexit posters above this comment appear to not understand that sending people death threats is wrong. Is this what the Right is now? Savages acting with savagery. And they justify themselves twice if their target is a woman.

Thank goodness for the likes of principled people like Gina Miller, Diane Abbott, and the petition lady, for standing firm despite the torrent of misogyny and hatred fired at them from the Smeagols of the Right.

Sheer hyperbole as usual. There is no doubt a small handful of people who are willing to resort to threats and violence but in your dreamworld, they exist only on the right. Violence of any sort should be condemned but you only see what you want to see.

Many people who voted to leave are angry and frustrated that their democratically expressed decision has been undermined from the moment the referendum results were announced by those who were entrusted to implement it. It’s a disgrace and they will be held to account at the next election.

Meanwhile, people like you pour fuel on the flames by insulting those you disagree with every time you post.

As for Miller and Abbott, they've got loads of principles. Remind me. Where did Abbott send her kids to be educated? They are hypocrites like so many on the left with the 'do as I say, not as I do' attitude.