Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

wunferall

BikingBud wrote: »

@RINOA - So your point is?

If i wanted to read drivel like that I would subscribe to one of the rags that provides it, it does nothing to progress this discussion.

I would agree with you when you say it does nothing to progress this discussion were it not for the constant use of worse "drivel" from so many others here; look back over just a few pages to see some of the bile posted.

Of course that's not to suggest a "fight fire with fire" attitude in a race to the bottom of the morality league.

But interestingly I see that the poll creator - in supposed defence of her threats which have now been reported by numerous sources - suggests her account where the posts were made was hacked.

One big problem there of course is the other posts made at the same time; no wonder she closed her account.

Whether true or not makes no difference anyway, like the use of bots & fake signatories.

The pro-EU contingent need something to cling to as no deal Brexit looms, and they found it in a petition and a demonstration.

They won't overturn the result of a referendum and TBH I really do wonder just how many people actually want a civil war in this country, because there are certainly times when it looks very much like that is what they want.

wunferall

Arklight wrote: »

Brexit isn't a party political issue, but the government's handling of Brexit, and the fact there even was a referendum, is all about Tory party infighting. May's planning for Brexit has had everything to do with trying to unite the Tory party and nothing to do with uniting the country.

In the end she has spectacularly failed to do either. Though true to form doesn't appear to realise this.

Nonsense.

There was a referendum because even Cameron knew that if he didn't offer one, Farage & co would wipe the floor with the main 2 parties at the earliest opportunity and end up governing.

The handling of Brexit since the result has mostly been down to remainers trying to thwart the outcome of the referendum as we can very clearly see from recent events in the Commons.

The best bit is that some of these very same people trying to thwart Brexit are the ones who will see us leave with no deal, because the fact is that not enough of them can agree on any single alternative.

Tromking

Well then, who else thinks that today’s ‘Posh People’ s Parade’ was visually impressive but in essence changes nothing?

Arklight

wunferall wrote: »

Nonsense.

There was a referendum because even Cameron knew that if he didn't offer one, Farage & co would wipe the floor with the main 2 parties at the earliest opportunity and end up governing.

The handling of Brexit since the result has mostly been down to remainers trying to thwart the outcome of the referendum as we can very clearly see from recent events in the Commons.

The best bit is that some of these very same people trying to thwart Brexit are the ones who will see us leave with no deal, because the fact is that not enough of them can agree on any single alternative.

UKIP had one MP. Farage couldn't even get elected in his chosen seat. To suggest they had any mass electoral appeal is absurd. The only thing impacted by UKIP was the Conservative party, who succeeded in losing more seats to Labour in the last election than they ever would have done to Gammon HQ.

Arklight

The mood in London is ebullient, effervescent, and defiant. Today a million people took to the streets to thwart the absurd act of national self destruction that is mooted to be, Brexit.

In the shires and the hinterlands, red faced right wingers can only boil with frustration as they see their plans crushed.

Today, the people have spoken.

BikingBud

kabayiri wrote: »

Just to clarify, are you referring to this Corbyn who "does not want to live in an European Empire" ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-ukx8HrnpE

So why does he continually frustrate progress and undermine the proceedings of the house. Whatever he may want, or not want, he seems unable to separate or prioritise over some of his deep seated beliefs. It's almost like watching Kryten calling Rimmer a smeg............heaaaaaad.

Arklight

Vile Brexithugs force lady who started the online petition to cancel Brexit this week into hiding.

Red faced scummers subjected the lass to multiple death threats via telephone, and, the right wing thugs weapon of choice, a torrent of internet abuse.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/23/more-than-4-million-people-sign-petition-to-revoke-article-50-brexit

The ugly face of Brexit and it's supporters.

Arklight

Gina Miller, a true honest broker of the nation's future and another woman detested by the Brexit ultras - speaks on today's march:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-march-revoke-article-50-petition-put-it-to-the-people-a8836866.html

The march today shows that the tide of history is turning massively against them – traditional Labour and Tory voters side by side, black and white, rich and poor, every faith and none are all saying very clearly that enough is enough. The true patriots are making their voices heard too, in the phenomenal online petition to revoke Article 50 which I have no doubt will pass the 5 million mark soon and keep rising. Opinion poll after opinion poll is making the same point just as powerfully: since the start of 2018, 113 out of 125 polls have favoured remaining in the European Union. Only three polls have shown a majority wanting to leave, with nine tied.

Moby

BikingBud wrote: »

So why does he continually frustrate progress and undermine the proceedings of the house. Whatever he may want, or not want, he seems unable to separate or prioritise over some of his deep seated beliefs. It's almost like watching Kryten calling Rimmer a smeg............heaaaaaad.

He doesn't want a tory brexit. He wants a workers brexit. He thinks the EU is a capitalist club. In the 1975 European Communities referendum put forward by the Labour Party in the United Kingdom, Corbyn opposed Britain's membership of the EEC. Corbyn also opposed the ratification of the Maastricht Treaty in 1993, saying: "... the whole basis of the Maastricht treaty is the establishment of a European central bank which is staffed by bankers, independent of national Governments and national economic policies, and whose sole policy is the maintenance of price stability. That will undermine any social objective that any Labour Government in the United Kingdom—or any other Government—would wish to carry out. ... The Maastricht treaty does not take us in the direction of the checks and balances contained in the American federal constitution. It takes us in the opposite direction of an unelected legislative body—the European Commission—and, in the case of foreign policy, a policy Commission that will be, in effect, imposing foreign policy on nation states that have fought for their own democratic accountability".

"We have a European bureaucracy totally unaccountable to anybody, powers have gone from national parliaments - they haven't gone to the European Parliament, they've gone to the Commission and to some extent the Council of Ministers. These are quite serious matters."

— Jeremy Corbyn views on the European Union in 1996, Labour Party conference, 1996 Wikepedia

BikingBud

So lets get out and when he wins the next GE :rotfl: he can manage the UK in the manner that his majority permits him to;)