Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

BikingBud

Arklight wrote: »

If other countries want to make certain laws that will directly affect us and we say they can't then we have just gained sovereignty.

Currently the EU is deciding what our Brexit will look like and when it will happen, while our Prime Minister stands impotently at the meeting room door biting her nails.

That's the influence we have as a third tier country. Somewhere between little and none.

And this is exactly the point. Our Brexit was leave, anything else is staying but relinquishing some degree of control. If we revoked A50 we would be staying but still losing control as the Federal state grows. We don't care what laws they may wish to set, we are not subject to those laws hence sovereignty and freedom!

Why would we want to influence a gang of people we don't want to be part of?

We have goods, skills, labour and IP that we can sell on the world market, why should we worry about a few when there are many in the wider world?

BikingBud

Arklight wrote: »

Welcome new poster!

Gosh there do seem to be a lot of people on the Right who all misspell "border" in the same way.

Must be a political thing.

:T:T:T:T

Well done and for your next circus trick?

kabayiri

Arklight wrote: »

What's wrong with that? That's what the EU project is.

The point you (intentionally) miss is that when national powers are shared within the EU, the member states share those powers, they aren't lost sovereignty they are gained influence.

Europhobes have never understood what the EU is, or how they are meant to use it.

I have absolutely no problem with the EU having openly expressed goals.

It's the pro-Remain people who pretend that there is some kind of status quo existence, which I find disingenuous.

For Guy, it's all about the power, which he believes he can use more wisely than national level politicians.

If the EU swings to the right, I might even back it more.

Moby

BikingBud wrote: »

Our Brexit was leave, anything else is staying

'Brexit means Brexit!'

Sure. So... does 'Cheese mean cheese'?

'We voted for cheese!'

Ok. What sort? Cheddar?

'Cheese!'

Feta?

'Cheese!'

Parmesan?

'Cheese means cheese!'

Yes, but... halloumi?

'We want cheese!'

Brie?

'We voted for cheese!'

Do you want your cheese with a serving of backstop sir?:rotfl:

kabayiri

BikingBud wrote: »

Do you have respect for any politicians?

What has Corbyn added to the process? He left the meeting last week out of schoolboyish spite. But both leaders are, as are the majority of those within the circus, entrenched.
...

Just to clarify, are you referring to this Corbyn who "does not want to live in an European Empire" ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-ukx8HrnpE

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/23/calls-grow-for-public-inquiry-into-brexit

Calls for a public inquiry into Brexit are mounting among diplomats, business figures, peers and MPs, amid claims that the civil service is already planning for a future investigation into how it has been handled.

The decision to call the referendum, the red lines drawn up by Theresa May and Britain’s negotiating strategy are all issues that senior figures would like to be examined.

Bob Kerslake, the former head of the civil service, said an inquiry was needed into “the biggest humiliation since Suez, certainly since the IMF crisis [in 1976]”. The cross-party peer said he believed the civil service “is both expecting and preparing for this”.

“We do need to understand how on earth we ended up where we have and it probably needs to go back to the decisions around holding a referendum and the way the question was framed,” he said. “It would need to be a public inquiry, probably judge-led.”

Arklight

The People's March is enormous, unstoppable! The Pringle munchers are in retreat against this upswell of activism!

Meanwhile, the Daily Mail is fuming, it is red with rage. The commenters are in action with lucid and erudite rebuttals:

buru, Belfast, United Kingdom, less than a minute ago

Specially picked pictures. Not a imi grant in any.

steve09, wolverhampton, United Kingdom, less than a minute ago

It is simply an anti conservative March by pied piper corbs lunatic mob and the usual joke suspects

Sid55, Bolton, United Kingdom, less than a minute ago

Losers.

UKIPP, North East, United Kingdom, about a minute ago

Seen more at me dogs funeral.

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/23/brexit-hundreds-of-thousands-expected-to-march-for-peoples-vote-london-live-updates

Organisers of the march said it “exceeded all expectations”, with a turnout of around 1 million, making it one of the biggest protests in British history.

Those behind the march for a second vote on Brexit said the size of the crowd spilling into Hyde Park and side streets was much bigger than that during the last People’s Vote march on 20 October.

A spokesperson for the campaign said: “It is almost impossible to put an exact figure on the size of this immense crowd because it is spilling out across central London. The start of the march at Park Lane has been filled to bursting point and many thousands of people are trying to make their way to Parliament Square through side streets.”

They added: “At the time the rally began, people were still arriving in Park Lane. Our estimate is based on professional expert advice and whatever the exact number, there can be no doubt that this ranks as one of the greatest protests – possibly the biggest ever – that this country has ever seen. We have no doubt that this march is bigger than the last with our early estimate putting the size of the crowd at around 1 million.”

kingstreet

Why is it assumed those who voted and wish to remain are always Labour/Corbyn/Socialist supporters and those who voted and wish to leave are always Conservative/UKIP/Capitalist supporters?

I voted remain and until 2017 had voted Conservative since 1984.

Arklight

kingstreet wrote: »

Why is it assumed those who voted and wish to remain are always Labour/Corbyn/Socialist supporters and those who voted and wish to leave are always Conservative/UKIP/Capitalist supporters?

I voted remain and until 2017 had voted Conservative since 1984.

Brexit isn't a party political issue, but the government's handling of Brexit, and the fact there even was a referendum, is all about Tory party infighting. May's planning for Brexit has had everything to do with trying to unite the Tory party and nothing to do with uniting the country.

In the end she has spectacularly failed to do either. Though true to form doesn't appear to realise this.