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Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

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  • BobQ
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    BikingBud wrote: »
    So:
    • Still more than half the electorate voted to leave!
    • Still a majority no matter how narrow!
    • Still approval by Parliament of Article 50!
    • Still a significant difference between what all parties agreed to deliver and the petty squabbling that is occurring now!
    • Still a betrayal by our elected leaders to deliver what the electorate voted for!

    So what? You simply quoted me out of context. Movilogo made the point that half the MPs were pro-EU implying they were out of step with the voters. I was just pointing out that the electorate was also split about the same in the Referendum.

    Besides we will leave, MPs are just trying to ensure that we will leave on the best terms.

    What you seem incapable of understanding is that a MP represents their constituency. If their constituency voted remain then they are perfectly entitled to advocate what their constituency voted for.
    Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.
  • Thrugelmir
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    edited 22 March 2019 at 11:55PM
    Takedap wrote: »
    Oh Dear. Another one who's going to be so disappointed when they find out that stopping FOM doesn't reduce immigration.

    Immigration can indeed be a benefit. Providing immigrants bring something to the party. Not simply arrive to consume valuable resources. We've more car washes , nail bars, drive layers and fast food outlets around here than can be economically viable. There's no engineering , software businesses visibly being created nor any injection of capital. Other than to convert good housing into bedsits to let to their compatriots. People after all are generally selfish , making money for themselves is their priority. Not the welfare of the wider community. Which unfortunately in some areas is becoming non existant. Giving rise to the problems that are surfacing every day.
  • BobQ
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    . There are going to be a lot less renters after FOM winds down IMO.

    Based on this Government's and this PM's spectacular success in controlling immigration I suppose? Well maybe as we become poorer (as May said - its what they voted for) then we will have less jobs.
    Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.
  • Thrugelmir
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    edited 23 March 2019 at 12:14AM
    BobQ wrote: »
    Based on this Government's and this PM's spectacular success in controlling immigration I suppose?

    We have no control. Cameron raised the issued. The rest of the EU leaders vetoed any exceptions for the UK. Hardly surprising as it's they who benefit (high unemployment levels, money sent back home etc). Expecting people to be told to put up and shut up by unelected politicians is going to create a backlash that isn't going to go away. Even if we remain.

    The fact remains that the HoC isn't debating the issues that matter to people at a local level. Enabling these issues to be taken back to Brussels for a meaningful transparent discussion. Enabling remain to be a positive option. With real outcomes.

    Throwing mud with no constructive output is easy. Seems to be the British way these days. Blame everyone else.
  • Moby
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    edited 23 March 2019 at 8:10AM
    BikingBud wrote: »
    So:
    • Still more than half the electorate voted to leave!
    • Still a majority no matter how narrow!
    • Still approval by Parliament of Article 50!
    • Still a significant difference between what all parties agreed to deliver and the petty squabbling that is occurring now!
    • Still a betrayal by our elected leaders to deliver what the electorate voted for!

    People have a right to change their minds in democracies especially when they see what's in future for us:-
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/secret-cabinet-office-document-reveals-chaotic-planning-for-no-deal-brexit/ar-BBV6SKM?ocid=spartanntp
  • fatbeetle
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    Arklight wrote: »
    This is utter chaos. Expect some headline manufacturers to announce they are leaving the UK next week.


    WE have enough headline manufacturers, there's only so many headlines needed.
    “If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and who weren't so lazy.”
  • Arklight
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    The People's March!

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-march-london-put-it-to-the-people-live-updates-article-50-a8836386.html

    Thousands will take to the streets today to stymy May's Brexit.

    The silent majority will be silent no longer. The idiocy of the Brexiteers must be stopped.
  • Kohoutek
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    Rinoa wrote: »

    Do you have any bad stories about the other 4,059,235 people (at the time of writing) that have signed the petition?
  • fatbeetle
    fatbeetle Posts: 571 Forumite
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    Arklight wrote: »

    Thousands will take to the streets today to stymy May's Brexit.

    Put correctly should read "Hundreds will take to the streets today to wave their little virtue flags and achieve nothing but a sense of smug self-satisfaction."
    The silent majority will be silent no longer.

    "Silent no longer?!?!? We've heard nothing but their whining since the vote took place!!
    The idiocy of the Brexiteers must be stopped.

    There you go again, you just cannot help yourself can you? You've no capacity or intellect for rational debate, so you can only throw insult from the sidelines. Now wonder remain lost.
    “If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and who weren't so lazy.”
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