Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

andrewf75

StevieJ wrote: »

Scrap the backstop and add a full blown customs union, and it will sail through. I am pretty sure that deal would pass muster at a second referendum as well.

I agree, that would be a much better deal for the long term, but its too late for that now.

But the exit deal could surely lead to that, once we get to sorting out the future relationship.

smipsy

Theophile wrote: »

FOM is a fundamental right guaranteed by the EU to its citizens.
That right still stands 100%.
The temporary introduction of Border Controls to deal with an influx of Non-EU migrants does not infringe in any way on the FOM rights of EU citizens.

Do you understand now?

you are trying to reason with the type of people who after more than two years still aren't capable of grasping the fact that "brown people, turks and muslims" aren't actually in the picture in the same way as "Poles and Romanians" are.

well, to be fair, the only common denominator is that they hate them all the same, so at least there's some consistency.

phillw

StevieJ wrote: »

That negotiation would come later, a customs union sorts the Irish border out and ensures we have continuing trade deals.

It doesn't stop us from unilaterally ripping it up once we've sorted out trade deals with the rest of the world and selling the Irish border out & so the EU won't agree to it, unless you are suggesting making it a defacto backstop and then it doesn't pass in parliament.

This WA is the only time when everyone has leverage to apply, unfortunately there are so many different directions that are applying leverage that nobody can actually achieve anything & are unlikely to.

I suspect Theresa May organised having her confidence vote taken early when everyone was reasonably happy, so that she would still have another year safe. Everyone will blame bercow for reminding her of the rules of multiple votes, but it shouldn't be a shock to anyone.

It's going to be interesting what the government do in terms of asking the EU for an extension and how the EU reacts now.

Arklight

With Bercow's blocking of May's multivote til they give in strategy. it's looking like Brexit is a dead duck. It is of course the turd that the UK can't flush away, but it's no longer threatening to spill over the bowl and cover the house in slurry.

Meanwhile those brave Brexit warriors continue their march for FrEUdom. Literally in their tens.

phillw

Arklight wrote: »

With Bercow's blocking of May's multivote til they give in strategy. it's looking like Brexit is a dead duck. It is of course the turd that the UK can't flush away, but it's no longer threatening to spill over the bowl and cover the house in slurry.

Bercow can only block it during this session or until there is a material change, we're not out of danger yet.

replace channel4 with referendum & replace e4 with brexit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46TFl9qJAOc

lisyloo

phillw wrote: »

Bercow can only block it during this session or until there is a material change, we're not out of danger yet.
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But if nothing changes then we’re nowhere near 75 MPs changing their mind.
Having meetings and flogging it to death isn’t going to get those people to change their minds either.

Herzlos

What material change is going to get approval from parliament and the EU?

We've not got much time to for anything to change and I'm not sure the EU is going to indulge us much longer.

Enterprise_1701C

Well, if the eu want us to leave before their elections, when we could have a lot of fun, then they are going to have to offer something major to get rid.

At the moment we are set to leave with no deal on March 29th, chances are the eu will offer either no extension or will insist on a lengthy one, if neither happens then they will be having to put up the border in Ireland that they have been "trying" to avoid (not really something they are concerned about, they are just using it to try to stop us leaving, either that or they are trying to annexe NI OR they are trying to bluff their way through it and it is about time we called it).


How can they say they are trying to protect the interests of the 27 when it is going to do the opposite?

Arklight

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Well, if the eu want us to leave before their elections, when we could have a lot of fun, then they are going to have to offer something major to get rid.

At the moment we are set to leave with no deal on March 29th, chances are the eu will offer either no extension or will insist on a lengthy one, if neither happens then they will be having to put up the border in Ireland that they have been "trying" to avoid (not really something they are concerned about, they are just using it to try to stop us leaving, either that or they are trying to annexe NI OR they are trying to bluff their way through it and it is about time we called it).


How can they say they are trying to protect the interests of the 27 when it is going to do the opposite?

We'll find out very soon. As our government is incapable of controlling this process we'll have to rely on the EU to do it.

Maybe they'll decide you get your hard Brexit. Maybe they won't. Apparently the government has decided noone in Britain will get to decide.

mayonnaise

19/03/2019.
Day 4 of the Great Brexit Betrayal March takes us from Aldfield to Wetherby.