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Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

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  • StevieJ
    StevieJ Posts: 20,174 Forumite
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    BikingBud wrote: »
    So let us leave and see what we can negotiate.

    If we stay because we cannot, or do not have the will to, negotiate a deal then we have no control over our future and will forever be lap dogs.


    A major tennet of the leave campaign was about parliamentary democracy. The (advisory) referendum has been held and the people 'advised' that they wish to leave the EU. Now why can't we allow our elected representatives deliver that in a way that doesn't wreck our economy? That that is how our democracy works.
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • Herzlos
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    I don't understand how literally holding the same vote until you get the right answer in Parliament is fine and dandy, but altering treaties to deal with objections before returning to a referendum is unacceptable.
  • kabayiri
    kabayiri Posts: 22,740 Forumite
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    What's the point in further discussion?

    The politicians will kick the problem into the long grass, and hope that everyone gets bored by then.

    Such is life. Not much we can do about it, unless we bring in a new bunch of political light weights to replace the dead weights we have.
  • phillw
    phillw Posts: 5,665 Forumite
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    kabayiri wrote: »
    The politicians will kick the problem into the long grass, and hope that everyone gets bored by then.

    If only that were true. There is still enough of a risk that we'll leave the EU that we should all be worried, whichever way you voted.
  • kabayiri
    kabayiri Posts: 22,740 Forumite
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    phillw wrote: »
    If only that were true. There is still enough of a risk that we'll leave the EU that we should all be worried, whichever way you voted.

    And how does worrying help then?

    No point.

    I have good reason to be worried about house prices in Western Canada...but not a lot I can do about that either.

    You just get on with it.
  • andrewf75
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    Herzlos wrote: »
    I don't understand how literally holding the same vote until you get the right answer in Parliament is fine and dandy, but altering treaties to deal with objections before returning to a referendum is unacceptable.

    I don't think anyone thinks it is fine and dandy, its just a last resort as every other option is so disastrous!
  • StevieJ
    StevieJ Posts: 20,174 Forumite
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    andrewf75 wrote: »
    I don't think anyone thinks it is fine and dandy, its just a last resort as every other option is so disastrous!


    Scrap the backstop and add a full blown customs union, and it will sail through. I am pretty sure that deal would pass muster at a second referendum as well.
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • Honey_Badger
    Honey_Badger Posts: 767 Forumite
    StevieJ wrote: »
    Scrap the backstop and add a full blown customs union, and it will sail through. I am pretty sure that deal would pass muster at a second referendum as well.

    Why customs union rather than membership of the single market?
  • StevieJ
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    Honey_Badger wrote: »
    Why customs union rather than membership of the single market?


    That negotiation would come later, a customs union sorts the Irish border out and ensures we have continuing trade deals.
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • Honey_Badger
    Honey_Badger Posts: 767 Forumite
    StevieJ wrote: »
    That negotiation would come later.

    Would it? The two are fundamentally different as customs union is Turkey’s agreement with EU whereas Norway is in the single market as a member of the EEA.

    A Norway type solution is one I would be happy with, a Turkey type agreement I would not.
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