Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Herzlos

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

I see the proven liar Esther McVey is thinking about changing her mind and supporting Mrs. May's deal...

The 3rd vote going through (I don't think it will) is going to expose some odd issues in Parliament, and show some amount of hypocrisy / game playing. Given that nothing will really have materially changed between votes 1, 2 & 3, why are people suddenly voting for it now? Have they genuinely changed their mind? Were they just being difficult before? Are they scared of a no deal? Have they been bribed?

Mistermeaner

Scared of no deal - hoped the proposed deal would change

lisyloo

By people who do you mean? I’ve only heard of a handful out of 150.
One possible reasons might be they think it’s the best option from where we are given we’ve said we don’t want to leave and we don’t want to stay.

Personally my gut feeling is that it’s nowhere near 150.

phillw

Herzlos wrote: »

Were they just being difficult before? Are they scared of a no deal?

Yes & yes (also probably scared of no brexit).

Rinoa

Herzlos wrote: »

Valid point, but I'm not sure it actually proves Remain to be lying - where's the willful deceit?

I only posted in response to mayo's continued claim that bad stuff pedalled by remainers would happen only when we left.

No, remain weren't lying, just totally incompetent.

And the same people now claim 'no deal' will be a disaster.

phillw

Rinoa wrote: »

No, remain weren't lying, just totally incompetent.

They were going on financial projections that were agreed by everyone except those who were blatantly lying because they hate the EU. They were incompetent in that they weren't able to compete with the race to the bottom that the leave campaign ran.

Rinoa wrote: »

And the same people now claim 'no deal' will be a disaster.

So you don't think it will be bad? What are you basing that on? It's pretty clear that no deal would be a disaster.

wunferall

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yep. It's dawning on the ERG headbangers that May's deal is the closest they're ever going to get to their beloved brexit.

Ha ha ha, of course.
Bercow might not even allow another vote.
There have been two, both times with huge majorities against and nothing material has changed.


As for the rest, the EU will really REALLY want to give an extension to a recalcitrant wannabe-leaver without any good reason.
Obvious, innit?
And even if they do agree it after the screams of "no" from so many seniors it will show them up more than ever to be the bunch of desperate, dishonest moneygrabbers that many people already have realised they are.

Never mind, the EU's refusal of any extension followed by the UK leaving without any deal will give some folk the opportunity to continue their anti-Brexit rhetoric for ages; it'll keep 'em occupied while others move on.

There's no way Article 50 will be withdrawn either; even our useless MP's know that it would lead to far bigger problems than Brexit.

As so often since the referendum results became known the obvious fear comes from those desperate to retain ties with the EU now that a no deal Brexit looks more and more likely.

Rinoa

phillw wrote: »

They were going on financial projections that were agreed by everyone

They weren't agreed by Brexiteers.

Remainers projections wrong - Brexiteers projections right.

phillw wrote: »

So you don't think it will be bad? What are you basing that on? .

The team that got project fear hopelessly wrong are now predicting 'no deal' disaster.

The team that correctly forecast the flaws of project fear say 'no deal' will be fine.

Why do you listen to the team that keep getting it hopelessly wrong.

wunferall

Rinoa wrote: »

They weren't agreed by Brexiteers.

Remainers projections wrong - Brexiteers projections right.





The team that got project fear hopelessly wrong are now predicting 'no deal' disaster.

The team that correctly forecast the flaws of project fear say 'no deal' will be fine.

Why do you listen to the team that keep getting it hopelessly wrong.

I honestly don't think that some really do, deliberately.
There's another word commonly used to describe the reason for such attitudes.

phillw

Rinoa wrote: »

They weren't agreed by Brexiteers.

You cut off the bit that I covered that it was agreed by everyone other that the liars with their own agenda.

Rinoa wrote: »

Remainers projections wrong - Brexiteers projections right.

The leave projection of the easiest trade deal ever?

Rinoa wrote: »

Why do you listen to the team that keep getting it hopelessly wrong.

Why do you listen to the team that says we'll be £350 million pounds a week better off?

Maybe what it comes down to is I'm a little wishful thinking about world harmony, while you want britain for the british? Even if I'm wrong about a few little details, I'd rather be wrong for the right reason. It's just annoying that I'm stuck in a country 52% full of people who are just in it for their grubby little selves.

It's just a pity it won't work out for you and then we'll have to listen to you moan for another 40 years.

wunferall wrote: »

There's no way Article 50 will be withdrawn either; even our useless MP's know that it would lead to far bigger problems than Brexit.

Would it? From what I can see a lot of leave voters are resigned to it already and have just moved on. The impotent gammon are not even worth considering. It's interesting figuring out how much those whingers you are referring to would hate leaving compared to remaining. They aren't going to be happy with either option, because it's not going to deliver what they hoped for. A 40 year dream crushed by being delivered.