Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Arklight

BobQ wrote: »

The fault lies firmly with May. She had a choice to minimize the impact by staying in a close relationship with the EU. Instead she chose to appease her party and prioritize that over the national interest. Now she is digging a deeper hole for herself.

It would have been so easy to turn to the country and say this is the best deal I can get, do you want that or would you like to remain. Whatever the vote she could have said it is what the country wanted .Instead she is still appeasing the right in her party.

History will be very unkind to her I think.

Nothing this government has done has been for the good of the UK. Every day since Cameron took sole office everything has been about the Tories and their eternal factional infighting over Europe.

ukcarper

BobQ wrote: »

If this interpretation is true, why should the nation suffer the consequences of the foolhardiness of the MPS concerned?

They could have avoided all this and caused much less damage than they already have and I don't believe we can go back to where we were 3 years ago.

gfplux

movilogo wrote: »

You can also move with them exercising your freedom of movement rights. :cool:

Just because they are having talks does not mean they will move though. These are paper movements, they can move anywhere in 5 minutes.

But if they do move it might take longer than 5 minutes to move back.

gfplux

J_Nostin wrote: »

It says that such well-known British (?) companies as Sony and Panasonic are moving so if other similarly British companies are looking in to moving should we really be concerned?

Frankly any national or international company relocating their operation or HQ out of the U.K. can not be spun as a positive. It is absolutely NOT a neutral act.
So, YES you should be concerned.

mayonnaise

Queen calling for 'common ground'

The Queen has called for “common ground” and “never losing sight of the bigger picture” in a speech to mark the centenary of the Sandringham Women’s Institute (WI), which is likely to be interpreted as a veiled reference to the toxic debate around Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/24/queens-speech-calling-for-common-ground-seen-as-brexit-allusion

Genuine question to the hard brexiteers on here:
Are you willing to compromise to find this common ground? If so, in what way?

movilogo

Are you willing to compromise to find this common ground? If so, in what way?

Let's have freedom of capital, goods and services but not people. Can remainers compromise on only 25% if they can keep 75% of their terms?

Herzlos

movilogo wrote: »

Let's have freedom of capital, goods and services but not people. Can remainers compromise on only 25% if they can keep 75% of their terms?

So the Canada deal? a Customs Union? Cake and eat it?


The 4 freedoms are not splittable (EU rules) and I can understand why. It's not a fair playing field to have freedom of goods/services but not people. How do people provide those goods/services if they don't have free movement?

StevieJ

movilogo wrote: »

Let's have freedom of capital, goods and services but not people. Can remainers compromise on only 25% if they can keep 75% of their terms?

Customs Union then?

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

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The 4 freedoms are not splittable (EU rules) and I can understand why. It's not a fair playing field to have freedom of goods/services but not people. How do people provide those goods/services if they don't have free movement?

Exactly. They are rules, not freedoms. Freedom suggests the ability to choose. I am free to practice religion...or not. These are rules.

There is no compromise. Our politics is adversarial; has been for decades. This is no different.

Arklight

movilogo wrote: »

Let's have freedom of capital, goods and services but not people. Can remainers compromise on only 25% if they can keep 75% of their terms?

As Herzlos said, that isn't an option.

There seems to be a general misunderstanding among Brexiters that making a post Brexit deal isn't simply the UK deciding what it will have and telling Europe. Europe has to agree to it as well.

Despite the Brexiter's promises we've failed to make any inroads at all into splitting the EU voice. They speak as a bloc. A bloc that is much bigger, richer, and more powerful than we are.

90% of them couldn't care less about the problems we'll suffer with Dover and the NI border, either.