Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

In contrast the likes of Mogg and Fox know very well the implications of WTO terms but disinguously refuse to explain them to the public.

Heard Mogg on the radio in an extended interview. Very articulate as a speaker. While coming across as a **** in public. Is a formidable individual. Understable why he's a founding partner of SCM. As unlike Diane Abbott knows his facts without needing notes to refer to.

StevieJ

BobQ wrote: »

Some hard line Brexiteers do not even understand the implications of their policies. James Delingpole for example

Asked by Andrew Neil if he actually understood what he thought trading on WTO terms actually means, he showed that he did not have a clue.

Neil asked him what impact a 40% tariff on British Lamb farmers who export 50% of our lamb to France

Delingpoles said "its a hit worth taking" as he showed he did not care about jobs. He finally confessed that he had no idea how the WTO terms work.

https://www.indy100.com/article/james-delingpole-brexit-no-deal-this-week-watch-video-8745681

or the full version (14m in)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0c13ylb/this-week-24012019

No deal is so simple when you play fast and loose with people's jobs.

In contrast the likes of Mogg and Fox know very well the implications of WTO terms but disinguously refuse to explain them to the public.

Delingpoles was a total embarrassment. He sounded like a Remainer plant

StevieJ

gfplux wrote: »

A number of Brexiters appear to feel that their red lines are ending freedom of movement from and to the EU.
The other is the ability for Britain to negotiate trade agreements with other country’s.
Perhaps they should be told that a number of those potential new deals might mean lowering the present barriers to immigrants from those countrys.

I really struggle to see how these new trade deals are going to be an improvement on the current situation, especially when dealing with the likes of Trump. I do understand that the EU deals need to be all things to all men but the EU do pack a punch in negotiations due to their size and Economic clout. There is also something about Fox and his zeal for new trade deals that gives me the creeps.

I am pretty sure that putting a deal to the British people that included a Customs Union with no immigration would receive fairly strong backing.

Enterprise_1701C

StevieJ wrote: »

I really struggle to see how these new trade deals are going to be an improvement on the current situation, especially when dealing with the likes of Trump. I do understand that the EU deals need to be all things to all men but the EU do pack a punch in negotiations due to their size and Economic clout. There is also something about Fox and his zeal for new trade deals that gives me the creeps.

I am pretty sure that putting a deal to the British people that included a Customs Union with no immigration would receive fairly strong backing.

The eu continually say it is all 4 freedoms or none.

As for the trade deals, I have heard that the eu often negotiate them with total disregard to services. If that is the truth then it shows that they have never cared for the UK as most of our overseas trade is services.

Arklight

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The eu continually say it is all 4 freedoms or none.

As for the trade deals, I have heard that the eu often negotiate them with total disregard to services. If that is the truth then it shows that they have never cared for the UK as most of our overseas trade is services.

The absurd leitmotif of victimhood bangs on doesn't it?

The UK was the second largest part of the EU economically, London used to be the global capital for financial services and many global companies wanted to be headquartered there as a bridge between the EU and US. The UK got its way in 98% of policy votes, and had the EU as its largest market, with a whole raft of opt outs and vetoes that other countries didn't get. Not least of all not having to use the euro and being able to set its own interest rates. That was a huge competitive advantage over other member states.

Notices there's a lot of "was-es" and "used to's" in that paragraph.

StevieJ

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The eu continually say it is all 4 freedoms or none.

As for the trade deals, I have heard that the eu often negotiate them with total disregard to services. If that is the truth then it shows that they have never cared for the UK as most of our overseas trade is services.

Not sure what you mean? A customs Union does not require free movement of people.

gfplux

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The eu continually say it is all 4 freedoms or none.

As for the trade deals, I have heard that the eu often negotiate them with total disregard to services. If that is the truth then it shows that they have never cared for the UK as most of our overseas trade is services.

Britain’s services have done rather well “with total disregard for services”
I have never heard the promises that services would grow quicker by leaving the EU.
I only heard the promises that exports (and therebye the industries involved) would grow rapidly once Britain had left the EU
Bye the way what actual products would be able to increase their exports outside the EU when these promised new trade deals are done? Which industries are going to benefit from this huge new trade.
Can you or anybody name a few?

Moby

Arklight wrote: »

The absurd leitmotif of victimhood bangs on doesn't it?

The UK was the second largest part of the EU economically, London used to be the global capital for financial services and many global companies wanted to be headquartered there as a bridge between the EU and US. The UK got its way in 98% of policy votes, and had the EU as its largest market, with a whole raft of opt outs and vetoes that other countries didn't get. Not least of all not having to use the euro and being able to set its own interest rates. That was a huge competitive advantage over other member states.

Notices there's a lot of "was-es" and "used to's" in that paragraph.

I've found that actual facts don't matter to those who base their view on emotion. Think of brexit as like religious zealotry in which facts are subsumed by belief. Also many brexiteers have blamed the EU for problems which are our own responsibility.....e.g. how a country allocates its resources geographically or the trade links a country has e.g Germany/China. I can't think of one brexiteer politician who has distinguished him/herself in the actual delivery of Govmt for example. Sadly we will find out the hard way in the coming years:-
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/26/brexit-british-firms-mass-exodus-no-deal

This nicely sums up the reality of our position:-
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/26/juncker-may-backstop-eu-customs-union

gfplux

Let us not forget

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/26/european-medicines-agency-closes-london-office-with-loss-of-900-jobs-brexit

The European Medicines Agency, one of the biggest EU regulators and one of the first casualties of Brexit, has closed its doors in the UK for the last time with the loss of 900 jobs.

I would remind everyone that this is also a great loss of tens of thousands of hotel nights from visitors and an encouragement to pharmaceutical company’s to relocate some of their operations,

movilogo

The European Medicines Agency, one of the biggest EU regulators and one of the first casualties of Brexit, has closed its doors in the UK for the last time with the loss of 900 jobs.

Have they not given 900 employees option to relocate to EU? If they have, then nothing is preventing UK employees to move to EU (land of milk and honey).