Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

movilogo

We are civilized people. There is no need for force. We can create economic situations where ROI would find it is beneficial for them to leave EU and have a closer relationship with UK instead

Filo25

movilogo wrote: »

We are civilized people. There is no need for force. We can create economic situations where ROI would find it is beneficial for them to leave EU and have a closer relationship with UK instead

Do you genuinely believe that?

I would suggest given the often unwillingly shared history of the 2 countries that Ireland isn't going to be going cap in hand looking for the UK to be its saviour anytime soon.

movilogo

If remainers want to be in bed with Germany forgetting all the wars, why can't Irish people do the same?

Population of Ireland is 4.7 million.
There are over 0.5 million settled Irish people in UK.

They can't hate UK that much. Do they?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_the_United_Kingdom

andrewf75

movilogo wrote: »

We are civilized people. There is no need for force. We can create economic situations where ROI would find it is beneficial for them to leave EU and have a closer relationship with UK instead

Doesn’t sound very civilised to me and the Irish certainly wouldn’t be having any of it. The reason support for EU membership is so high in countries like Ireland and other countries formerly under foreign rule is precisely because they are protected from being bullied by large countries.

Filo25

movilogo wrote: »

If remainers want to be in bed with Germany forgetting all the wars, why can't Irish people do the same?

Population of Ireland is 4.7 million.
There are over 0.5 million settled Irish people in UK.

They can't hate UK that much. Do they?

They don't hate the UK at all, pre-Brexit relations were probably as good as they had been since independence, but equally they aren't going to be putting thermselves voluntarily in a position where they are economically at least at the mercy of the UK, too much unpleasant shared history for that to be attractive to Ireland.

Far better for it to stay in the EU and effectively punch above its weight with the EU behind it

movilogo

Doesn’t sound very civilised to me and the Irish certainly wouldn’t be having any of it. The reason support for EU membership is so high in countries like Ireland and other countries formerly under foreign rule is precisely because they are protected from being bullied by large countries.

So if UK is bullied by EU that is fine, but if UK bullies Ireland that is wrong?

Herzlos

movilogo wrote: »

So if UK is bullied by EU that is fine, but if UK bullies Ireland that is wrong?

Is the EU bullying the UK? How so? By following it's own rules and not letting it get it's way?

kabayiri wrote: »

To be fair, removing ROI does remove the ROI/NI border problem!

Invasion is not practical though. Isolating the country by restricting goods flow through UK would be more cost effective.

Removing NI would do the same thing but a bit more easily, since a large portion of them want to be part of Eire anyway, and more would join Eire to remain in the EU.


Like I keep banging on; Brexit is trivial to solve once you decide which group of people you want to upset.

Herzlos

movilogo wrote: »

We are civilized people. There is no need for force. We can create economic situations where ROI would find it is beneficial for them to leave EU and have a closer relationship with UK instead

Can you elaborate on what economic situations would make Eire abandon the EU to join us?

Did you cover any Irish history in school?


Assuming we went down the route of making Eires economy struggle, don't you think the EU would be willing to help them out? They have (or will have) direct ferry and air routes, we can't block them off.



That sort of thing is a battle we can't win. Either practically, without retaliation or without international courts stepping in.

andrewf75

movilogo wrote: »

So if UK is bullied by EU that is fine, but if UK bullies Ireland that is wrong?

The EU isn’t bullying the UK.

movilogo

Like I keep banging on; Brexit is trivial to solve once you decide which group of people you want to upset.

Correct. Whatever happens, several millions of people would be very upset.

So far as parliment is predominantly remainers, they are trying to please remainers.

Trying to please leaves makes sense because it was the outcome of the referendum.

We have seen in the past scaremongering did not work as there is no way to verify those predictions without actually being out first.

IMHO, it would be best to get out first then offer another referendum few years later.

Not leaving EU and somehow overturning the outcome (via 2nd ref or whatsoever) will keep the issue burning.

Do you prefer to leave EU now (whatever hodgepodge that means - whether TM's WA or no deal/WTO)

or

Leave in few years time as No Deal under a government led by Farage (or someone of his equivalent) + right wing parties?

Laugh if you want but that's going to be reality. Brexit is already an earthquake. Nobody thought it would happen. Nobody thought Labour and Conservative would lose to a new party but that is writing on the wall.