Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Enterprise_1701C

andrewf75 wrote: »

Those damn Irish, humiliating us by refusing to be invaded!

After Brexit, lets take back India and America

Please no, really do not want Trump here! And especially do not want that amount of guns in a British controlled area, it would take ages to collect and destroy them.

kabayiri

To be fair, removing ROI does remove the ROI/NI border problem!

Invasion is not practical though. Isolating the country by restricting goods flow through UK would be more cost effective.

andrewf75

kabayiri wrote: »

Isolating the country by restricting goods flow through UK would be more cost effective.

More cost effective, but no less ridiculous

Tromking

Arklight wrote: »

How would the British act if Hayling Island was occupied by the Spanish? The Spanish actions are annoying and designed to appeal to their own version of red faced permanently enraged Daily Mail readers, but nothing else.

That's within the EU. Things may well change dramatically when we leave and the UK becomes a, relatively weak, international power trying to maintain possession of a part of Europe. In fact, I would say Gibraltar being British looks about as viable as Hong Kong being so.

The Gibraltar and Northern Ireland problems (which is what they are) are simply the consequences of having a colonial legacy with no remaining colonial clout.

Oh no, not the old colonial legacy trope again.
I have a feeling that the UN right of self-determination might come to the rescue of the Gibraltarians if Spain decides to use its membership of the EU to annexe Gibraltar in the coming years. Although with Spain's antics re. Catalunia, you're right to flag up that they have a poor record in handling the aspirations of people to decide their own futures.I wonder how the Gibraltarians felt when pictures of the Spanish police cracking open a few Catalunian heads were shown on their TV screens a few months back.
The situaton in NI is less clear cut, although the UK remains committed to holding a vote on its future should the religious demographics change in NI.

Filo25

kabayiri wrote: »

To be fair, removing ROI does remove the ROI/NI border problem!

Invasion is not practical though. Isolating the country by restricting goods flow through UK would be more cost effective.

How long until the EU retaliated in kind?

And that's before you get into the whole quagmire of most favoured nation issues under WTO.

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

You can make assumptions, but you must also accept that those assumptions may prove invalid.

I think the exit process needed to cover all elements; withdrawal + trading + people; and build in a transition window which allowed continuation of business with a state technically out of the Union.

The Euro introduction had dual track running, so they obviously are aware of transition windows.

If the exit mechanics allow for the process to become a political power play, then it is unlikely that progress will be either smooth or satisfactory.

I could be wrong, but the withdrawl process included a transition period of ~2 years after the 2 years negotiating period.
Any exit mechanic is likely to be used as a political power play (though none of it from the EU here, it's been frustratingly rigid). The UK has made several attempts at games and none have gone down well.



I honestly don't know what A50 could have codified better to handle this situation. What do you think should change?

movilogo

To be fair, removing ROI does remove the ROI/NI border problem!

To be fair, removing ROI from EU does remove the ROI/NI border problem!

Filo25

adindas wrote: »

How did you know it does not work if if has not been tried ... ?

Because I have a functioning human brain.

andrewf75

adindas wrote: »

How did you know it does not work if if has not been tried ... ?

Such is the madness of Brexit that I’m not entirely sure if you’re joking or being serious!

andrewf75

movilogo wrote: »

To be fair, removing ROI from EU does remove the ROI/NI border problem!

indeed, but the idea of using force on another country seems a bit controversial, no?

How about focussing on Northern Ireland - you know the bit that's actually ours!