Extortionate charges

KeithP

lastmanstanding wrote: »

Duly noted, I will edit accordingly but I am puzzled as to how the PPC could identify me from any of my posts..


Thanks!

It would've been very very easy if you had managed to file your bespoke initial appeal.

Redx

lastmanstanding wrote: »

Duly noted, I will edit accordingly but I am puzzled as to how the PPC could identify me from any of my posts..

Thanks!

you would be surprised what they can identify by looking at the nuggets of information posters post on the forums, there was one today where TPS emailed one poster on here with his MSE username, which he had not given out


there was a member called Lamilad who a couple of years ago had his posts on here or on pepipoo quoted in court by Jake Burgess I believe (Excel)

lastmanstanding

Redx wrote: »

and if you send 5 separate appeals, one for each pcn reference , if they accept they are in time they would issue 5 popla codes , which cost them money if you win

if they deem any out of time, they will refuse them and refuse popla codes and require full payment

if full payment is not made, plus if they win any or all of the popla appeals, they will require full payment or court claims (or claim) will be issued , for the full amounts plus the legal fees

in order for you to win , you have to win on a technicality, which comprise of

ANY POFA 2012 FAILURES
NO LANDOWNER CONTRACT
POOR AND INADEQUATE SIGNAGE
ANY BPA FAILURES
ANY ANPR ISSUES
NOT THE SAME AS THE BEAVIS CASE

etc

so s sensible person would study those technicalities and decide if they can win or not before starting, because PE are likely to have all their ducks in a row

there is little point in a scrawny kid going up against a fighting fit mike tyson, unless they have a foolproof strategy for winning, and in these cases there are too many unknowns and we know the reputation tyson has got

let us assume that they have landowner authority, their cameras were accurate , they adhered to POFA2012 , they adhered to the BPA CoP , the signage was clear (like BEAVIS) , then what are you basing any popla appeals on? or court claims as your legal defence ?

This post answers my first post questions, many thanks for this, the detailed information clarifies what I was thinking and assuming. I was not certain an appeal would be worth pursuing because of the details of the causes for the PCN's to be issued.

lastmanstanding

KeithP wrote: »

It would've been very very easy if you had managed to file your bespoke initial appeal.

Agreed, but I didn't have the time or the inclinatilon at the time I received the PCN's to do anything about them. I am only just recovered enough now to address them. If I could have started this inquiry back in late December then the time pressures would not be so apparent as they are now but I couldn't, at the time.

I appreciate that it would have been easier to file on being tolld to do so but if you read the post from RedX 3rd Jan 19, 7:44 PM regarding the technical aspects of the case 'in order for you to win , you have to win on a technicality' an appeal does not seem worthwhile. In my clumsy way of writing that was what I was asking in my first post.


Thanks.

KeithP

You most recent post seems to indicate that you were a patient at the hospital.

Have you been in touch with PALS at the hospital to see if they can help?

Have you seen The NHS patient, visitor and staff car parking principles?

Particularly this bit:

Contracted-out car parking

NHS organisations are responsible for the actions of private contractors who run car parks on their behalf.

Redx

yep, which is why I started with this in post #2 , meaning separately

you can appeal each and every pcn within 28 days , after that there is no appeal, only court

if you dont pay up, of course

plus waamo then asked this

Have you had an NTK yet? If you have how long ago?

then steve1500 asked this

Which hospital.

then you said this

PCN reminders only, nothing else yet.

to which I realised all this was off piste and said this to try to get it on track

the first postal notice was your NTK

the reminders are reminders of the NTK

there should be one for each pcn - eventually

what is the first contravention date ?

what is the date on the first NTK ?

to which you gave more info

The PCN does not explicitly state that the PCN is a Notice to Keeper, although obviously it has my name on the form.

1st PCN is 28/11/2018, received 8/12/2018

then the arguments started , lol

I am sorry to hear about your pErsonal issues, but we do all have them and there is no doubt that you are late to the party so we have to point that out, even though it may be beyond your control or wishes

PE deal in reality , and you have a tiger that bites by the tail , who won 3 times against BEAVIS in 3 different courts, the last one being over 2 years ago, hence why the Sir Greg Knight CoP parking bill is progressing through westminster (not that it helps you)

just bear in mind you may get 5 popla appeal codes , lose 5 times because there is no TKO, and then face the full charges times 5, plus court costs if you fail to pay up, because I have no doubt that PE would take it that far, as BEAVIS found out

sorry to be blunt, but we have to be in order for people to listen , its a fact of life on here, as we get it daily, usually they are frightened rabbits caught in headlights and their brains are frozen , plus they have usuallly listed to the neighborhood scallies that know nothing but tell them "not to worry", the tap room lawyers, or those that have seen CANT PAY on C5


as KeithP says above, your best bet is PALS or HR, which I believe I mentioned earlier too, in post #17

your BEST BET is to complain to the hospital (PALS if its for a patient , HR if its as an employee) and get them to cancel it, there is no better way of resolving it than a landowner cancellation

see this page

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-patient-visitor-and-staff-car-parking-principles/nhs-patient-visitor-and-staff-car-parking-principles

lastmanstanding

Redx wrote: »

yep, which is why I started with this in post #2 , meaning separately


if you dont pay up, of course

plus waamo then asked this


then steve1500 asked this


then you said this


to which I realised all this was off piste and said this to try to get it on track


to which you gave more info


then the arguments started , lol

I am sorry to hear about your pErsonal issues, but we do all have them and there is no doubt that you are late to the party so we have to point that out, even though it may be beyond your control or wishes

PE deal in reality , and you have a tiger that bites by the tail , who won 3 times against BEAVIS in 3 different courts, the last one being over 2 years ago, hence why the Sir Greg Knight CoP parking bill is progressing through westminster (not that it helps you)

just bear in mind you may get 5 popla appeal codes , lose 5 times because there is no TKO, and then face the full charges times 5, plus court costs if you fail to pay up, because I have no doubt that PE would take it that far, as BEAVIS found out

sorry to be blunt, but we have to be in order for people to listen , its a fact of life on here, as we get it daily, usually they are frightened rabbits caught in headlights and their brains are frozen , plus they have usuallly listed to the neighborhood scallies that know nothing but tell them "not to worry", the tap room lawyers, or those that have seen CANT PAY on C5


!!! KeithP says above, your best bet is PALS or HR, which I believe I mentioned earlier too

All taken on board and agreed with, I am not expecting anything other than bad news but will file the seperate appeals in hope rather than expecttion.

I was in a very difficult personal situation at the time that stopped me dead in my tracks, it was the reason all of this happened. Luckily I did not have too much to do at work other than robotic stuff. But trying to deal wth a potential hundreds of pound fine at that time was not possible.

PALS or HR do not apply, but thanks for the advice.

Thanks for all the help.

Many thanks.

Redx

what a shame that you cannot use PALS or HR as that was your best get out for this

I wish you luck but fear it wont help


and even if you had appealed in time, I dont think you would win, but thats my opinion, not fact

waamo

I would try PALS anyway. With £500 at stake it's worth a punt even if they won't help.

lastmanstanding

Redx wrote: »

what a shame that you cannot use PALS or HR as that was your best get out for this

I wish you luck but fear it wont help


and even if you had appealed in time, I dont think you would win, but thats my opinion, not fact

Yes I thought so too, but I am not certain either will suit, I will check again tomorrow, and I agree a win is unlikely but as time is aganst me an appeal may be is all that is left.