Extortionate charges

lastmanstanding

I pay to park at a hospital regularly and pay the maximum stay fee of £10.00 via the paybyphone app on my android phone to PE, which is far less than paying £3.00 per day to park so fair enough.

But approaching the recent holidays and due to some personal issues which distracted me for several days I forgot to renew my parking dates, and also did not realise for several days, actually only realising when the 1st of the PCN's dropped through my door, I paid via the app immediately on receiving the 1st PCN but this was some days after my last parking allotted time had expired resulting in a total of 5 PCN's each for £40.00 / £70.00 being sent.

Having read through the forum extensively my only claim for appeal seems to be that the PCN's at a full face value of £350.00 for the 5 days as opposed to:

a minimal fee of £10.00 for the maximum stay,
or £3.00 per day at a maximum of £15.00 for 5 days total

are obviously, to me and I hope you, extortionate considering the amounts involved for legally parking.

But having read as much as possible it seems to the majority of Judges in the Beavis case these costs are reasonable, or are they?

Does the Beavis case take into account multiple fines for several periods totalling to become ridiculously extortionate?

Does the Beavis case take into account actual accrued costs incurred by ParkingEye as opposed to the penalties imposed?


Do I have any other route of appeal as stated on the'fighting beavis' case:
... Keeper liability not established
... No authority (ParkingEye PCN states they 'manage' the land)
... Pay car parks (the car park is a pay car park)

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Thanks for any help.

Redx

the BEAVIS case was one parking charge , of £85 I think, the judges deemed that this was not unreasonable so it set a benchmark

the BPA figure has been up to £100 for 6 years or more, so its anything goes really

so 5 pcn,s equals 5 times the charges, so £85 x 5 = £425 which means that ruling at the SC would deem yours to be reasonable, (as in NOT UNCONCIONABLE)

they dont live in the real word so until the new CoP goes through parliament we have been stuck with it, as are you

I have no idea about parking apps and wouldnt trust them anyway


you can appeal each and every pcn within 28 days , after that there is no appeal, only court

waamo

Have you had an NTK yet? If you have how long ago?

steve1500

Which hospital.

Parking Lie do not comply with DH policy on providing assurance back to the NHS that they handle personal information in a safe & secure manner nor do they comply with Article 13 of GDPR.

Which will odds on mean that the Trust will be making a false statement in their Annual Report.

Look at their Annual Report & see if the Trust has declared satisfactory on their Information Governance Toolkit.

If they have, a simple Freedom of Information request what assurances where received from PL - be a miracle if there are any

As well as complaining to the hospital also complain to the ICO , that Parking Lie are processing you personal information in contravention of Article 13.

The ICO has the power to stop the Gravy Train

lastmanstanding

PCN reminders only, nothing else yet.

Redx

the first postal notice was your NTK

the reminders are reminders of the NTK

there should be one for each pcn - eventually


what is the first contravention date ?


what is the date on the first NTK ?

lastmanstanding

The PCN does not explicitly state that the PCN is a Notice to Keeper, although obviously it has my name on the form.


1st PCN is 28/11/2018, received 8/12/2018

Fruitcake

A PCN sent to the registered keeper is the NTK. It doesn't actually have to have those words since it is a (Parking Charge) Notice sent to The Keeper.

Redx

there is no regulatory format (yet) for these things

it was a postal Notice To the KEEPER, so is an NTK , whatever it says on it

until the government change this, then almost anything goes , but it was a Notice That came to The Keeper, ADDRESSED TO THE KEEPER, as detailed on the V5C and by the DVLA database (unless it was leased or hired out)

it would seem that you have missed the appeals window of 28 days for that first ticket , due to being pedantic over the PCN wording

perhaps in 12 months time there will be government rules and regs governing these matters, but at the moment , there arent


go to the PE website and try to appeal as KEEPER using the blue text template, ASAP

waamo

You should (just) still have time to get an appeal in. Send the blue template from the Newbies thread ASAP as it's starting to cut things fine.

lastmanstanding

Should I appeal the following?

... Keeper liability not established
... No authority (ParkingEye PCN states they 'manage' the land)
... Pay car parks (the car park is a pay car park but has 20 minutes free)

Also, None of the letters were post dated so how is it possible for ParkingEye to know when they actually arrived?

Thanks