Extortionate charges

lastmanstanding

'You seem to be assuming that someone will read your appeal.
Good luck. I'm out. '

Nope. Another assumption by another regular, the term 'I am drafting' means exactly that, I did not state 'I am drafting and I will post that draft here to be read'

The draft has been completed, revised and sent.

Thanks again for those with positive advice.

KeithP

Hahaha.

No... I meant you seem to be assuming that someone at the parking company will bother to read your appeal.

lastmanstanding

KeithP wrote: »

You seem to be assuming that someone will read your appeal.

Good luck. I'm out.

Nope. Again another insulting assumption by a negative regular. I did not state or ask for anybody to read my draft, I stated that I was compiling my draft, which has now been revised and sent.

lastmanstanding

KeithP wrote: »

Hahaha.

No... I meant you seem to be assuming that someone at the parking company will bother to read your appeal.

SINCERE apologies, I misinterpreted your reply.

Redx

lastmanstanding wrote: »

The POFA is on the 1st PCN / NTK.

the blue text, whilst helpful is not complete however I will use that as a template.
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nope, you said the above

we all told you to send it unchanged, so not to be altered in any way

this was in respect of your earlier post where you talked about certain additions, to which KeithP said dont bother with all that , just send it unchanged , by copying and pasting into the appeal box , which waamo also reiterated

this was my point about you being mr angry, you have your obstinate head on and assume everyone is against you, this is proving tiresome and all you are doing is annoying the regulars trying to help you with your constant sarcasm and attacks on those members who are replying to your misinformation

we all read your posts, it seems strange that you are right and we are all wrong

lastmanstanding

Redx wrote: »

nope, you said the above

we all told you to send it unchanged, so not to be altered in any way

this was in respect of your earlier post where you talked about certain additions, to which KeithP said dont bother with all that , just send it unchanged , by copying and pasting into the appeal box , which waamo also reiterated

this was my point about you being mr angry, you have your obstinate head on and assume everyone is against you, this is proving tiresome and all you are doing is annoying the regulars trying to help you with your constant sarcasm and attacks on those members who are replying to your misinformation

we all read your posts, it seems strange that you are right and we are all wrong

This is the text I added:

All of my PCN dates and reference numbers so could state that PE treat my appeal as one letter rather than several, which was advice I took from the forum.

This paragraph:
I will also send details of this case involving multiple charge notices to my MP to use in the Hospital Car Parking Charges (Abolition) Bill 2017-19 to use against companies like yours
that extract extortionate fines using dubious tactics.

The above paragraph is relevant and timely so I felt it needed to be added regardless of being told to send it unchanged

There seems to be an assumption on this forum that people who come here for help are dumb, incapable of their own thought processes and we should follow like sheep every word that some of the regulars state. Thats not helpful without actually explaining why the blue text DOES still apply, and on my part its not anger or obstinacy, its having a mind of my own to think and address this issue with help from positive posters and then to interpret what else I may add that may help my appeal.

Thanks again.

Redx

I have never seen any advice that says to appeal everything as one appeal

we always tell people to treat each one separately and appeal each one online separately, which is what I would have suggested , giving them no squeeze room

our experience is that the vast majority of NEWBIES havent a clue and so we have to stop them from blowing their toes off from the get go, usually because they make additions to the one size fits all appeal

from what I have read in your earlier posts, talking about BEAVIS and about the postal delivery aspect and NOT receiving an NTK, its clear to me that you did not know about these issues and were concentrating on them instead of appealing and checking your first actual NTK for the POFA paragraph

it was also clear to me that when I asked about the NTK, you clearly stated you had not received one, yet I know that your first postal PCN was your NTK , as are all the rest

hence I have to treat you as knowing nothing about it and going about it all the wrong way, which I did, and would continue to do so, but its clear we cannot work WITH you, as you keep fighting us

so like KeithP, I will bow out and leave YOU to it

let us know how your court case goes, it will be an interesting read

waamo

You know when I said altering it could result in a huge error? Well reading that alteration you appear to have made a huge error.

Essentially you appear to be asking for appeals to be considered for an NTK you haven't yet (but will) receive.

They will, successfully, argue the only way you know about them is because you were the driver.

lastmanstanding

waamo wrote: »

You know when I said altering it could result in a huge error? Well reading that alteration you appear to have made a huge error.

Essentially you appear to be asking for appeals to be considered for an NTK you haven't yet (but will) receive.

They will, successfully, argue the only way you know about them is because you were the driver.

Wammo, I know you are being helpful. Can you please explain why I seem to have made an error and why you think I have not received the NTK when I have the PCN's which are one and the same thing in front of me?

This is the quoted text:

A postal PCN or NTK might be headed up 'Reminder' or 'Charge Notice' or it may even be a letter from a debt collector - it is your Notice to Keeper, in effect, if it's the first letter to arrive.

TEMPLATE ''ONE SIZE FITS ALL'' FIRST APPEAL THAT DOESN'T SAY WHO WAS DRIVING

- if this is a BPA member parking firm, the point is to get a POPLA code if you do not get it cancelled.

- this is why not to name the driver (thanks to The Slithy Tove for this explanation):

Template appeal for BPA or IPC members - copy this wording into the online appeal box::


This is the blue text, copied directly from the newbies page, fortunately I have not been able to submit the appeal at PE because the appeals page does not recognise the details entered. apart from adding all the PCN numbers and dates and this paragraph: I will also send details of this case involving multiple charge notices to my MP to use in the Hospital Car Parking Charges (Abolition) Bill 2017-19 to use against companies like yours
that extract extortionate fines using dubious tactics.

What have I added that makes the difference?

Re PCN number:

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a formal complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner and to my MP.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require ALL photos taken and an explanation of the allegation and your evidence, i.e.:

- If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

- If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner. If you fail to evidence the actual grace period that applies at this site or suggest that only one period applies, this will be disregarded as an attempt to mislead. In the absence of evidence, it will be reasonably taken to be a minimum of twenty minutes (ten on arrival and ten after parking time) in accordance with the official BPA article by Kelvin Reynolds about 'observation periods' on arrival being additional and separate to a 'grace period' at the end.

- in all cases, you must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date.

Formal note:
Should you later pursue this charge by way of litigation, note that service of any legal documents by email is expressly disallowed and you are not entitled to assume that the data in this dispute/appeal remains the current address for service in the future.

Yours faithfully,

lastmanstanding

Redx wrote: »

I have never seen any advice that says to appeal everything as one appeal

thread 4816822

Quote:under A SAR is free. Ask for (as a minimum): - and a list of all PCNs they consider are outstanding against you and/or this VRN, and remind them that any claim must be for all PCNs in one claim, not several separate claims.