Can I be told to come in early?

Farmer_Johnson

SummerSunshine2 wrote: »

@farmer Johnson our company is offering a bonus of £0. I don’t know why people on this forum are such idiots that think the boss can say jump and I say how high. I go to work at my usual time daily, do my work, go home.

And if all you ever want is to bounce from one crappy job to the next, then have your children grow up poor, and then die poor yourself then that is all that you need to do.

If you aspire to something more then you need to change your attitude.

You probably look down on people who in your opinion wasted their time getting a hard degree, then put in the effort over decades to get ahead. The sad irony is of course that at the same time you’ll think it unfair that people who do this end up with a couple of big houses, a lot of money in the bank, and get to retire while they are still young and n’ont living off their substantial savings.

Do you honestly think that how you are going on now leads anywhere but being poor?

Barny1979

badmemory wrote: »

OP I know exactly what you mean about not wanting to start at 7am. I had a job once where that was necessary & I lasted 3 days, by which time I was dead on my feet. Couldn't sleep & couldn't wake up either - I certainly wasn't what I would consider safe to drive the 10 min commute. I liked the job & liked all the people, but my internal clock just did not work like that.


Please get back & let us know how you got on.


In answer to your question I suspect that there is a part of your contract which has "needs of the business" in it & this will cover what he wants you to do. I don't remember anyone else mentioning this, have I missed that? Pity - it would seem to me at least to be important.

3 days? At least you gave it a good shot.

badmemory

Barny1979 wrote: »

3 days? At least you gave it a good shot.

At least I answered the OPs question which nobody else managed to do! Everybody else has just had a go.



Feel free to have a go at me, I've only had about a year without a full time job in 49 years of working & the bulk of that was maternity & was only that long due to moving half way across the country following my now exH for his new job when mat leave was only 6wks before & 12 wks after.

System

badmemory wrote: »

At least I answered the OPs question which nobody else managed to do! Everybody else has just had a go.

I answered the question. The employment contract like all employment contracts will contain a term stating the employee is expected to comply with reasonable requests. Also an employer can change the times an employee is working by giving notice and the notice they've given exceeds the statutory notice they're required to give.

In short the OP can refuse and the employer can see that as misconduct should they so wish.

The OP has demonstrated an attitude that if they continue with it going forward they might want to get to know how the benefits system works because they'll be spending a lot of time on the dole.

Les79

societys_child wrote: »

and got out the wrong side? . . :rotfl:

No, it was more about the possibility that I could have misread the OP.


Or maybe by not jumping on the bandwagon I did, in fact, wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

suki1964

badmemory wrote: »

At least I answered the OPs question which nobody else managed to do! Everybody else has just had a go.



Feel free to have a go at me, I've only had about a year without a full time job in 49 years of working & the bulk of that was maternity & was only that long due to moving half way across the country following my now exH for his new job when mat leave was only 6wks before & 12 wks after.

Excuse me, go back and re read the posts

Les79

Farmer_Johnson wrote: »

I’ve just read the comment about you being new to work, so will give you some advice in the form of an anecdote.

My wife works in banking, where you can get very significant year-end bonuses, and can also progress rapidly up the firm.

Most staff go the extra mile for her, and the team tend to be well looked after at bonus time. One guy was different, he did 9-5, always left for lunch, and would leave critical work unfinished if it was time to go home.

At year-end most people got bonuses of 100-200% of their fixed pay. When this chap’s meeting came, he was thanked for his work, given a hand shake, and wished a merry Christmas

He was very, very unhappy, as he’d been counting on the bonus, and pointed out he had done all that his contract covered. My wife agreed, and told him that he’d also been paid all that his contract specified, and always would while he worked for her.

I think that is very cut-throat. I wouldn't want to have dealings with your wife.


People have lives outside of work and if they are contracted to 9-5 + breaks then the EMPLOYER Should respect that. If you get people who go "above and beyond" that then fair play, but there's no need to penalise anyone who doesn't go "above and beyond" despite meeting their contractual obligations.


The ONLY potentially valid point you make is "leaving critical work", which can go either way. Either the employee has poor time-management skills, or the workload forces people to work beyond their core hours. I'd love to know which one it is...


I'd be interested to know what sort of metrics your wife's bank has in regards to giving out bonuses (as per the EMPLOYEE CONTRACT). Work more than your contracted hours? Don't take lunches? The only legitimate case you have made is "leaving critical work". If this is a reason for preventing a bonus then fair enough, however it has NO RELEVANCE TO OP'S POST (they haven't left "critical work").


So let's have it out, what is the reason for the snub of the bonus in your wife's case?

zagubov

Les79 wrote: »

I think that is very cut-throat. I wouldn't want to have dealings with your wife.


People have lives outside of work and if they are contracted to 9-5 + breaks then the EMPLOYER Should respect that. If you get people who go "above and beyond" that then fair play, but there's no need to penalise anyone who doesn't go "above and beyond" despite meeting their contractual obligations.


The ONLY potentially valid point you make is "leaving critical work", which can go either way. Either the employee has poor time-management skills, or the workload forces people to work beyond their core hours. I'd love to know which one it is...


I'd be interested to know what sort of metrics your wife's bank has in regards to giving out bonuses (as per the EMPLOYEE CONTRACT). Work more than your contracted hours? Don't take lunches? The only legitimate case you have made is "leaving critical work". If this is a reason for preventing a bonus then fair enough, however it has NO RELEVANCE TO OP'S POST (they haven't left "critical work").


So let's have it out, what is the reason for the snub of the bonus in your wife's case?

Was there a snub? Someone didn't do extra and didn't get rewarded extra.

Anyhoo, let's get back to the OP's post.
It sounds like the boss is being nice.
Unfortunately for him, the OP isn't getting it.
Fortunately almost all posters here are explaining the situation really clearly.
Unfortunately for them, the OP still isn't getting it.

OP, you've been generous with the talking on this forum. If you can be at least as generous with the listening, it will go well for you.

If not, thanks for posting and sorry we couldn't help.

unforeseen

The OP's question has been answered by numerous posters in various different ways in the hope that understanding might dawn.

Unfortunately I think it is a lost cause. The inability to link starting early with finishing early appears to be the stumbling block and I don't think this forum can cure that malaise.


I wish the OP better luck in the job seeker market after Christmas.

Farmer_Johnson

Les79 wrote: »

I think that is very cut-throat. I wouldn't want to have dealings with your wife.


People have lives outside of work and if they are contracted to 9-5 + breaks then the EMPLOYER Should respect that. If you get people who go "above and beyond" that then fair play, but there's no need to penalise anyone who doesn't go "above and beyond" despite meeting their contractual obligations.

You seem confused, no-one was penalised. You get a bonus for going the extra mile, for doing more than the minimum that the contract states. This member of staff did not do so, he did what his contract required, and no more, and was paid what his contract stipulates, and no more.

And yes, of course she’s cut-throat, she’s a senior manager in a major investment bank. She’s also very popular with her team and her management, and a wonderful mother.

If you are the sort of person who pays a whacking great bonus to people who do the bare minimum then I wonder how on Earth your high performers don’t get demoralised. How do you explain to them that despite all that they did extra the worst performing member still gets a bonus like they do?