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There won't be another referendum,
If you are that certain, I have some very good news for you! You can currently back no referendum on betfair (before 2020, see the link below) at 1.54! Personally I am not as certain as you, and I don't think that there is any value, because right now, that to me looks about the right price.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.132100845Chuck Norris can kill two stones with one birdThe only time Chuck Norris was wrong was when he thought he had made a mistakeChuck Norris puts the "laughter" in "manslaughter".I've started running again, after several injuries had forced me to stop0 -
There won't be another referendum, the people have voted and a majority decision was made, which won, that is called democracy, which all English people used to have and were proud of, it made us civilised society and we were admired all around the world
The undemocratic in our society now want another vote, What?? can you imagine contestants in come dancing refusing the democratic decision of the judges and demanding another vote, if that ever happened.... anarchy wins
The treacherous MP's and undemocratic vested interests have seriously weakened our negotiating hand and for that we will get a rotten deal where a No Deal will make our country free and prosperous while saving £Thirty nine thousand millions of taxpayers pounds.
100 years ago our grandfathers fought and 79 years ago our Fathers fought again and gave the ultimate sacrifice so that we in 2019 are free to make a democratic decision without fear of retribution from a Communistic Federal Union
I'm struggling to get from the contestants on the popular BBC light entertainment show, Come Dancing, demanding a second vote and that leading to anarchy. But I suppose you never know. I imagine it would begin with Antiques Roadshow being a bit late and then it's a slippery slide from there.0 -
Why are so many people scared of a 2nd referendum?We should be encouraging the young and brilliant to be doctors and engineers and such like by paying for their tuition and even paying a retainer during their academic/university training period. This comes with a commitment to say 10-12 years within the NHS or whichever field they go into.
Why can't medicine, including nursing, and engineer based jobs critical to effective operation of a progressive nation all be part of the modern apprenticeship scheme?
Get a job. Get paid. Get qualified.
With a Modern Apprenticeship you learn on the job, and get the experience you need. Plus, you work towards a qualification. Whether you’re thinking about the future, job hunting, or want to learn new skills, a Modern Apprenticeship could be for you.
It's a pretty good argument for why all education should be free, but it falls over at the Tory "why should I pay for it?" Hurdle. In a me first society paying tax for someone to get an education you can't directly use is a terrible idea, but looking at the bigger picture that more educated person will contribute more, pay more in tax and thus save everyone some money after a point.
10 years on from graduating I pay more in income tax than my annual uni tuition cost the state, and if you eradixate all the loans and chasing admin you'll save a small fortune particularly when those that aren't paying a lot of tax will never have to pay it back anyway. It's win win if you out society first.0 -
Exactly this. Working in this field the majority of my seniors tend to work to see their children through University, reach their LTA and retire to occasional private practice. For some on the older NHS pension schemes this means their skills are lost from public service forever at 50 and they see out their days playing golf. At best they return to do sessional work on vastly reduced hours but this is generally in the private sector as opposed to the NHS.
I agree it is a factor in NHS recruitment and retention, but those on high incomes are just being greedy. The LTA is not a cap on your pension fund. It is a cap on the amount of tax relief you can get in a lifetime Those with a £1m pension fund need to appreciate that most people can only dream of this. In reality, in the NHS, unless those that reach this cap transfer it to a private pension, it is just the nominal value of a state-guaranteed index-linked pension of over £50K a year for the rest of their life. They can still invest excess income in ISAs and taxable investments. In short they ain't poor.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
There won't be another referendum, the people have voted and a majority decision was made, which won, that is called democracy, which all English people used to have and were proud of, it made us civilised society and we were admired all around the world
The undemocratic in our society now want another vote, What?? can you imagine contestants in come dancing refusing the democratic decision of the judges and demanding another vote, if that ever happened.... anarchy wins"
So advocating a referendum on the current debacle is undemocratic, treacherous,uncivilized. And I thought it was my democratic right to advocate a further democratic vote.
Likening this to a TV talent show trivializes a very serious decision. One that could see many of our fellow citizens made unemployed, the destruction of parts of our remaining manufacturing base, price inflation etc. WTO terms may appeal to you but in the short term it has serious consequences.
It seems that you do not understand the meaning of democracy.No Deal will make our country free and prosperous while saving £Thirty nine thousand millions of taxpayers pounds.
In international law it may not be possible to avaoid paying all of this money even with a no deal.100 years ago our grandfathers fought and 79 years ago our Fathers fought again and gave the ultimate sacrifice so that we in 2019 are free to make a democratic decision without fear of retribution from a Communistic Federal Union
Yes my grandfathers fought this as well, do you think they would all support Brexit? You call the EU Communistic (I assume you mean Communist), I think you will find that large parts of it have the same right wing views as the regimes our grandfathers fought against (alongside Communist allies).Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
We should be encouraging the young and brilliant to be doctors and engineers and such like by paying for their tuition and even paying a retainer during their academic/university training period. This comes with a commitment to say 10-12 years within the NHS or whichever field they go into.
Why can't medicine, including nursing, and engineer based jobs critical to effective operation of a progressive nation all be part of the modern apprenticeship scheme?
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Many people drop out and fail to complete their training. Who covers the cost of this?0 -
If the blokes in the trenches were not propertied men they were not allowed to vote. It wasn't until after the war they were granted it, along with women of a certain age. But sure the British Empire was fighting for democracy and had nothing to do with the perceived threat of other nations expansion of their colonies. I hate it when wars are brought up in the Brexit debate, I think it cheapens the tragic loss of life.0
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They'd probably never pay back the student loan either, so you may as well skip the admin of chasing then for 30 years before writing it off. If they do make enough to pay it back then theyllpay plenty of tax anyway.Thrugelmir wrote: »Many people drop out and fail to complete their training. Who covers the cost of this?
They'll also learn something, proportional to how long they stay and how much it costs. Someone who drops out immediately doesn't cost much, and someone who does half a course still gains some value from it.0 -
badgerhead wrote: »If the blokes in the trenches were not propertied men they were not allowed to vote. It wasn't until after the war they were granted it, along with women of a certain age. But sure the British Empire was fighting for democracy and had nothing to do with the perceived threat of other nations expansion of their colonies. I hate it when wars are brought up in the Brexit debate, I think it cheapens the tragic loss of life.
Yes, it doesn’t fit in with the Remain narrative to remind folks that periodically Britain has had to distance itself from and in extreme cases take on the prevailing excesses at large in mainland Europe.“Britain- A friend to all, beholden to none”. 🇬🇧0
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