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Approximately 600,000 people die a year, predominantly the elderly (who were the only group to vote a majority leave). 2 years time passing means 1.2m people have died
We have serveral elderly in our family (one of whom did die) and none of whom went out to vote.
Obviously many elderly did vote, but I'm saying that for those closest to death were statistically less likely to vote.
Oddly enought you are still eligible to vote if you lose mental capacity.0 -
Also true, but presumably some number of people are moving from voting to being too infirm to vote?0
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Ukcarper mentions that he was a remainer who changed his mind after the EUs behaviour, often enough to make me suspicious.
Personally I know a few leaves who regret it, including one who admits it was a terrible idea but wouldn't change his vote because that'd be hypocritical. He's happy for the UK to revert to the stone age to get away from the EU, though.
I don't know any remainers who have changed their minds.0 -
my opinion of EU is certainly lower than it was before negotiations started
I'm a remainer and I too have become more euro-sceptic, but I haven't changed my mind that we are better off being in.
If anyone is assuming remainer love the EU then that is incorrect, it's just considering on balance what is best.0 -
Approximately 600,000 people die a year, predominantly the elderly (who were the only group to vote a majority leave). 2 years time passing means 1.2m people have died (something like 800,000 leavers), and in that same time a broadly similar number of 16 & 17 year olds (predominantly remainers) have become old enough to vote.
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You are looking at the two ends of the chain, but not at all the links in between.
1.2m people have died, but 1.2m have stopped being 21 and become 23, or were 29 but are now 31. Also 1.2m people who were nearly old, but not quite Leave voters, have now shuffled into their predecessors' slippers and therefore become Leavers in their turn.
If the theory holds true that old people are Leavers and young are Remainers, then there must be a progression in between. Or do you think there is a threshold, at 45 perhaps, where everyone suddenly switches their views?This is a system account and does not represent a real person. To contact the Forum Team email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0 -
I'm a remainer and I too have become more euro-sceptic, but I haven't changed my mind that we are better off being in.
If anyone is assuming remainer love the EU then that is incorrect, it's just considering on balance what is best.
I suspect for many of the lower income groups, the fundamentals have not changed at all.
Brexit must seem like a weird sideshow if you are struggling with agency work.
Having said that, fear is one of the biggest influences on people.
Fear of what the EU could do might just persuade people to stay within the club.0 -
Clifford_Pope wrote: »...
If the theory holds true that old people are Leavers and young are Remainers, then there must be a progression in between. Or do you think there is a threshold, at 45 perhaps, where everyone suddenly switches their views?
IMO, if you accept a referendum, then you accept the limitations it brings.
This includes voter apathy, or changing demographics.
It's a risky strategy to play on this elderly gammon concept though. I was always brought up to respect my elders, and I dislike anything which divides young/old.0 -
A_Pandiculation wrote: »
Delivering Brexit is potentially extremely easy. We say we are going (did that bit) then we should have said something like " Okay, two years & we're off. You have two years to decide whether or not you want to carry on with mutual trade and if you do, how much in the way of obstacles you want. We are preparing for a WTO Brexit."
That would have saved us from most of the nonsense we've seen on all sides for these past two years and already the UK would know it's future with far more certainty that we do now.
Therefore it's fairly obvious that it's only the underhanded attempts to keep us in the EU that have led to uncertainty.0
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