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Where's the irony?Lol.
Emboldened irony alert.
There's no hatred in the statement that some older voters are dead - it's the only inevitable part of life.
With some 600,000 people dying a year, we're looking at something along the lines of 1.2m potential voters that are no longer with us since the vote, and a broadly similar number of younglings coming of voting age.0 -
You do realise that there is a tendency for today's "young" people to change their vote from Labour to Conservative as they get older, wiser and more worldly-wise don't you?
The older Tory voters you are hoping will die, will be replaced by younger ones who may have voted Labour in the past will be more inclined to vote Tory in the future.
young people tend to become more small c conservative over time, but political views seem to be based more on major life events. Some may move politically to the right, some might not. That may go some way to explain why the Tory party membership seems to be collapsing.0 -
Yes I wonder how the public would feel if Mays deal was enacted OK it's not fully out but it might just be enough. Alan Johnson said on this week and I tend to agree with which was basically he can't understand why So many remainers who want a soft brexit are so opposed to the deal. I must admit I voted remain and would accept the deal as I believe it better than alternative, but I can see why leave many leave voters don't like it.
As a remainer, I'm against Mays deal. It'll keep our economy going in the short term but it'll keep all the existing problems and continue to point all the blame at the EU. The country will remain divided, businesses will have until the backstop ends to move into the EU proper.
It's much better to either just remain (as-is) and try to address the actual public concerns, or leave (WTO) and figure out how to recover from it (almost certainly re-joining).
Mays deal is the worst of all worlds, and a serious blow to sovereignty.0 -
His argument is there are 1.2m voters going through the political menopause as they turn into gammon.
If that was really the case, then we'd have had an almost 200 year uninterrupted run of the conservative party leading the country.
People don't just turn into Tories when they hit 65. 65 year olds in 2018 will be politically different to 65 year olds from 1988, or 1968 and so on.0 -
You do realise that there is a tendency for today's "young" people to change their vote from Labour to Conservative as they get older, wiser and more worldly-wise don't you?
The older Tory voters you are hoping will die, will be replaced by younger ones who may have voted Labour in the past will be more inclined to vote Tory in the future.
It's been a 'tendency' for, well, as long as I can remember.
It's one thing being an enthusiast for revolution when you're 25 and all you own is an iphone and a pile of clothes. It's another thing when you're 55 have a mortgage, a pension, an ISA, and two kids, and you realise that when they say 'tax the rich', they mean you.
I've tried to explain this to my children. But they don't believe me. Such is life.:)
P.S. I'd like to point out, re the thread title, that we've already had a second referendum. What some people want is a third referendum.:)0 -
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As a remainer, I'm against Mays deal. It'll keep our economy going in the short term but it'll keep all the existing problems and continue to point all the blame at the EU. The country will remain divided, businesses will have until the backstop ends to move into the EU proper.
It's much better to either just remain (as-is) and try to address the actual public concerns, or leave (WTO) and figure out how to recover from it (almost certainly re-joining).
Mays deal is the worst of all worlds, and a serious blow to sovereignty.
As far as I can see the only part that is bad is back stop and that might not need to be enacted its the inability to compromise that is the biggest problem.0 -
Must admit even though I'm quite old I'm not a Tory supporter but I'm a lot closer than I was when I was younger and am a lot closer to more centralists Tory's that momentum influenced Labour and that certainly wouldn't have been the case when I was younger.It's been a 'tendency' for, well, as long as I can remember.
It's one thing being an enthusiast for revolution when you're 25 and all you own is an iphone and a pile of clothes. It's another thing when you're 55 have a mortgage, a pension, an ISA, and two kids, and you realise that when they say 'tax the rich', they mean you.
I've tried to explain this to my children. But they don't believe me. Such is life.:)
P.S. I'd like to point out, re the thread title, that we've already had a second referendum. What some people want is a third referendum.:)0 -
If that was really the case, then we'd have had an almost 200 year uninterrupted run of the conservative party leading the country.
People don't just turn into Tories when they hit 65. 65 year olds in 2018 will be politically different to 65 year olds from 1988, or 1968 and so on.
It's a question of trust.
Traditionally, the Tories have been less interventionist than Labour, and especially New Labour.
If you don't particularly like how government messes things up, then it's not unreasonable to want less of it.
You can only learn how politicians mess things up through direct experience.
Well, we have had quite a lot of experience of 'messing things up' lately.
I can't say I like it, but I don't think politicians hold the balance of power now. They are essentially there to serve the needs of massive corporations and wealthy individuals.
The Brexit vote was a rare rare opportunity for everyone to have a say on a non-party individual level.
Soros and his wealthy mates don't like this. They will do what it takes to put us back in our box.0 -
Do you really think the way forward is to insult people who don't agree with you to be honest your attitude makes me embarrassed to be a remain voter.
It's the same with this weird inverse snobbery towards the likes of JRM.
I don't care what he looks or sounds like. I am not jealous of the money he has.
It's what he says, and how well thought out the ideas are. That is what counts for me.
On the other side, I happily accept that Corbyn wants more fairness, I just feel that he lacks the tools and support to deliver.0
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