If there is a second referendum ...

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

I really don't think a second referendum will solve anything there will not be a large majority for anything and it will only compound existing problems. The Jeanie was let out of bottle in 2016 and it's going to be very difficult if not impossible to get it back in.

It will give a few more years of young people the chance of a vote while removing the views of people who are now dead, that is a bonus in itself. There is no reason to go ahead with something if the majority of people alive now want to go a different way right?

With the correct question it will end the deadlock in parliament. Like if they asked "WTO" or "Remain", it would give them a mandate. Right now parliament won't go WTO because they know the two faced leave voters will blame them for it.

Not having a second referendum will ensure that nobody is happy and the divide will get worse and worse forever. I understand you're scared that the low voter turn out at the referendum means uncertainty for your "victory".

It's time to put away the hate and fear based politics of the leave campaign.

kabayiri

phillw wrote: »

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Why you specifically voted out is irrelevant, it's the elite that paid for the misinformation that you now believe that will call the shots. You didn't take back control, you took it from a democratically elected organisation and gave it to sociopaths.

You talk about misinformation, and still seem unable to resolve the conflict between massive increase in populace over the last decade alongside one of the longest periods of austerity.

You probably think more tax solves things. That's just as deluded.

kabayiri

phillw wrote: »

It will give a few more years of young people the chance of a vote while removing the views of people who are now dead, that is a bonus in itself. There is no reason to go ahead with something if the majority of people alive now want to go a different way right?
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It's time to put away the hate and fear based politics of the leave campaign.

Lol.

Emboldened irony alert.

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

You talk about misinformation, and still seem unable to resolve the conflict between massive increase in populace over the last decade alongside one of the longest periods of austerity.

There isn't a conflict as such, the problem is that austerity and poor management just don't work. Plenty of countries have higher population densities than we do and manage fine.

ess0two

phillw wrote: »

It will give a few more years of young people the chance of a vote while removing the views of people who are now dead, that is a bonus in itself. There is no reason to go ahead with something if the majority of people alive now want to go a different way right?

With the correct question it will end the deadlock in parliament. Like if they asked "WTO" or "Remain", it would give them a mandate. Right now parliament won't go WTO because they know the two faced leave voters will blame them for it.

Not having a second referendum will ensure that nobody is happy and the divide will get worse and worse forever. I understand you're scared that the low voter turn out at the referendum means uncertainty for your "victory".

It's time to put away the hate and fear based politics of the leave campaign.

Is this guy for real?,next you'll be promising the younger generation a free iPhone for voting remain.

cogito

phillw wrote: »

The NHS is being propped up by immigrants, your thought process is completely and utterly messed up.

Other countries in the EU fund their health systems more than we do, they have better health systems than we do.

The problem isn't the EU, it's the conservative government that have been systematically trying to destroy the NHS since they failed to prevent it being created.

One of the reasons the UK left was so the government could get rid of the working time directive. The conservatives have been fighting that for years and will get rid of it the instant they can. Once out of the EU you will see us really turn into a sweat shop.

The EU were looking like they were going to make the UK government do something about zero hours contracts, that was probably the last straw. We had to get out.

Why you specifically voted out is irrelevant, it's the elite that paid for the misinformation that you now believe that will call the shots. You didn't take back control, you took it from a democratically elected organisation and gave it to sociopaths.

I find it incredible that you seem to believe that all is sunny and bright in EU land. Do you actually believe that zero hours contracts don't exist elsewhere in the EU. They might not call them that but they certainly exist. Ask any olive or orange picker anywhere in the Med or anywhere else that needs seasonal workers I.e. everywhere.

And if you think that the Working Time Directive is honoured anywhere in the EU, you are even more deluded that I thought.

As for your ridiculous claim that the Tories are trying to destroy the NHS, if you read your history, you would know that had the Tories won the 1945 election, they, not Labour, would be able to take the credit for founding it. The only opposition to the NHS came from doctors.

StevieJ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I've a feeling that people are fed up with the whole matter. Now just want to get on with it. With a crisis looming for the NHS this winter. Will be a timely reminder as to how the growth in population is unsustainable at current rates. Yet the EU has little concern. As not their problem.

I also have a feeling (based on anecdotal evidence) that Theresa May has a lot more support from the general public than is being acknowledged (including from Labour voters). They think she had a tough job and is making the best of it. Labour on the other hand are looking like wreckers and could come unstuck in a general election. God knows what they think of Lord Snooty and his pals.

Pennywise

phillw wrote: »

It will give a few more years of young people the chance of a vote while removing the views of people who are now dead, that is a bonus in itself.

You do realise that there is a tendency for today's "young" people to change their vote from Labour to Conservative as they get older, wiser and more worldly-wise don't you?

The older Tory voters you are hoping will die, will be replaced by younger ones who may have voted Labour in the past will be more inclined to vote Tory in the future.

ukcarper

StevieJ wrote: »

I also have a feeling (based on anecdotal evidence) that Theresa May has a lot more support from the general public than is being acknowledged (including from Labour voters). They think she had a tough job and is making the best of it. Labour on the other hand are looking like wreckers and could come unstuck in a general election. God knows what they think of Lord Snooty and his pals.

Yes I wonder how the public would feel if Mays deal was enacted OK it's not fully out but it might just be enough. Alan Johnson said on this week and I tend to agree with which was basically he can't understand why So many remainers who want a soft brexit are so opposed to the deal. I must admit I voted remain and would accept the deal as I believe it better than alternative, but I can see why leave many leave voters don't like it.

phillw

Pennywise wrote: »

You do realise that there is a tendency for today's "young" people to change their vote from Labour to Conservative as they get older, wiser and more worldly-wise don't you?

The older Tory voters you are hoping will die, will be replaced by younger ones who may have voted Labour in the past will be more inclined to vote Tory in the future.

So you're saying we should just automate it and count the number of young and old people?

When there is a birth surge we can arrange rejoining the EU until they get old enough that they hate foreigners and work shy youngsters again?

StevieJ wrote: »

I also have a feeling (based on anecdotal evidence) that Theresa May has a lot more support from the general public than is being acknowledged (including from Labour voters). They think she had a tough job and is making the best of it. Labour on the other hand are looking like wreckers and could come unstuck in a general election. God knows what they think of Lord Snooty and his pals.

Well we don't get to vote for her, we only get to vote for an MP who gets to vote for her. So our support for her is largely irrelevant. My sympathy started off pretty low after she showed her true colours as home secretary. She was a disgrace then, she's a disgrace now.

kabayiri wrote: »

You talk about misinformation, and still seem unable to resolve the conflict between massive increase in populace over the last decade alongside one of the longest periods of austerity.

You probably think more tax solves things. That's just as deluded.

If you think leaving the EU will have any positive impact on the "longest periods of austerity" then you are very much deluded. Rees Mogg predicts another 50 years outside of the EU before things improve compared to today. We could do much better in the EU, we just have to fix the real problem and make Rees Mogg unemployed.

The tax cuts for the rich are the cause, outside of the EU the conservatives want to make the country a tax haven.