If there is a second referendum ...

StevieJ

kabayiri wrote: »

I actually agree.

Another referendum should be between :
a) fully Out
b) fully In
.

The vote should be


a) Fully out
b) Remain on exactly the same terms as we have now


What is the problem?

moneyistooshorttomention

StevieJ wrote: »

The vote should be


a) Fully out
b) Remain on exactly the same terms as we have now


What is the problem?

The thought of having another referendum just because some people (ie the losers) have thrown their toys out of the pram and insist on "Vote/vote/vote again until they get the vote they personally want - and blow democracy".

I've voted for option a already - and that's what I expect to get or I'll be even more disillusioned with a substantial part of the human race.

kabayiri

StevieJ wrote: »

The vote should be


a) Fully out
b) Remain on exactly the same terms as we have now


What is the problem?

The problem is one of honesty.

Be honest with the voters of a future outside the EU, and inside.

In same spirit, I shall be honest with you. I had no idea about the EU plans during the 90s; things like the Euro and the EU expansion and various treaties underpinning FOM.

And I should have been aware. I don't particularly like how the UK has coped with large numbers of new arrivals. It's shambolic frankly, and the idea of 20+ workers living in small homes is not the vision of a future I aspire to.

Equally, people might dislike the idea of going it alone. Depends what you are willing to put up with.

qwert_yuiop

BLB53 wrote: »

..and yet they failed to get this message across convincingly in the referendum. I suspect the chancellor's scare campaign on jobs and the economy if we dared vote leave may have had quite a bearing by pushing some of the undecided into leave.

To be honest, the EU was not a big issue for me and I suspect most of the average public until the referendum campaign. Now it has become more like a religion on both sides.

I’d suggest Angela merkel’s declaration that masses of people fleeing to Germany would have to be distributed throughout the EU, made about two days before the vote, was what swung it.

kabayiri

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

I’d suggest Angela merkel’s declaration that masses of people fleeing to Germany would have to be distributed throughout the EU, made about two days before the vote, was what swung it.

They only move E->W.

You should know that by now

Hungary would take about 5, with umbrage.

Crashy_Time

andrewf75 wrote: »

But you're complicating things with your own interpretations of what Brexit means.
Brexit only means one thing, leaving the EU. Norway is 100% not in the EU. You are either a member or you're not.
I fully accept the argument that its only worth doing with a complete break, but I can't imagine that leave would have won had this been made clear.
There are two groups most at fault for not accepting the result - the remainers who simply can't accept it but also the leavers who insist only their version of brexit is really brexit!
The equivalent analogy to yours is if remain had won and then claimed that this now gave a mandate to join the euro and Schengen and sign up to closer integration etc. As a member we had many opt outs and any sensible vision of leave should assume some opt-ins given that is the case for every other non-EU European country and given the NI situation and 40 years of integration the need is obvious.

It was absolutely clear IMO.

tetley

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Gullible you mean?

wow, I am neither uneducated nor gullible.
This is typical of a remainer, they think that just because somebody doesnt agree with their way of thinking, then the other person is wrong at best, and uneducated at worst.



What a complete t%$t you are.


Go and have this conversation with Jacob ress-moog and see who comes out on top then.

BikingBud

StevieJ wrote: »

The vote should be


a) Fully out
b) Remain on exactly the same terms as we have now


What is the problem?

I thought that's what I voted for in 2016, unfortunately the goalpost movers have been working triple time since then.

Herzlos

BikingBud wrote: »

I thought that's what I voted for in 2016, unfortunately the goalpost movers have been working triple time since then.

You may have, but others didn't as Leave was trying to be all things to all people. So is May, now.


If leave had been clear about the outcome, and people still voted for it, then we'd have been out by now.

andrewf75

Crashy_Time wrote: »

It was absolutely clear IMO.

in your opinion, but not in everyone else's! I can't believe people even still argue that everyone's interpretation was the same.