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  • Lungboy
    Lungboy Posts: 1,953 Forumite
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    StevieJ wrote: »
    They need t go for Norway+ and get on with it.

    Norway have made it clear they won't accept the UK joining the EFTA.
  • lisyloo
    lisyloo Posts: 30,077 Forumite
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    The MPs have forgotten that they are there to serve the public and not the other way round.


    Aren't they there to represent their constituencies? some of which were strongly remain (or strongly scottish, irish, fishing, farming).


    I'm genuniely not clear on the order of priorities, perhaps someone can confirm.
    Does constituency come no 1?
  • andrewf75 wrote: »
    yes but serving the public also commits them to protecting the economy, jobs, living standards etc.
    Well they certainly haven't done that so far.
    If though they had said "March 29th 2019 & we're off, now if you want to be sensible and carry on mutual trade what are you offering in return?" we would have been over most of the consequences by now one way or another. Everybody would have known what to expect so whatever rebalancing there would have been would be over & done with.
    Instead we've had what looks very much like our government trying their best to thwart a democratic vote, along the way keeping the whole world as well as the country unclear as to what the future holds which has increased not only the uncertainty but increased the divisions too.
    There could not have been a worse outcome in terms of "protecting the economy, jobs, living standards etc."
  • lisyloo wrote: »
    Aren't they there to represent their constituencies? some of which were strongly remain (or strongly scottish, irish, fishing, farming).


    I'm genuniely not clear on the order of priorities, perhaps someone can confirm.
    Does constituency come no 1?
    Think about who makes up the constituency.
    ;)

    https://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/electing-mps/

    https://www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/genelec2010faq/
  • Thrugelmir
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    andrewf75 wrote: »
    yes but serving the public also commits them to protecting the economy, jobs, living standards etc.

    MP's are hardly the best people to do this. What real life skills do the majority possess these days? No longer do they have a career outside in the main.
  • StevieJ
    StevieJ Posts: 20,174 Forumite
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    Lungboy wrote: »
    Norway have made it clear they won't accept the UK joining the EFTA.


    We can have our own group, call it UK, similar to Norway, but with a + :-)
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • BLB53
    BLB53 Posts: 1,583 Forumite
    It was 52-48 which implies a 'Soft Brexit'...
    No it does not. Brexit is about leaving the EU and taking back control of our sovereignty, our courts adjudicating on our laws, free to negotiate trade deals with the world (including EU) on our own terms.

    If you elect your MP and it is a close result, the winner does not implement half of the other party's policies.

    This was a binary choice with the winner prevailing..or so I thought when I voted. Had remain won, even by 50.1% to 49.9%, I would have accepted the result...I would not be calling for us to half leave the EU cos it was so close.

    We should have been very clear from the start that we would be leaving on WTO rules but with proviso that we would prefer a trade deal and if the EU also wanted one then explore the common ground in principle.

    Easily said in hindsight I know, but options which are not Brexit should not be entertained on the basis it would keep the remainers more content about losing the referendum.
  • MataNui
    MataNui Posts: 1,075 Forumite
    I am perfectly fine if we do have another vote. There is a big issue over the question though. MPs have totally rejected Mays 'deal' so i really cant possibly see any reason why that should be a part of it yet it seems most of those bleating on about another vote seem to be insisting the choice is Mays deal or stay. Smacks of total desperation to rig the result.



    Odd really that its the same people who have been endlessly lecturing us about how those that voted leave never voted to actually leave and now they appear terrified that a 2nd vote (perhaps with the question of Leave WTO rules or stay) might also go against them.


    Actually though, imagine what would happen if it did. Cant see them doing it. Not a hope in hell this lot would let us do that. Which makes me really wonder what is going to happen now. If Mays deal is a dead duck (even after this delay) the default position would be an exit with no deal yet MPs have made it clear they wont allow that. So whats going to happen? No time for any legislation for another referendum (without begging the EU for an extension). Are we going to see a motion to revoke article 50? Seems like its the only thing MPs would be willing to pass.
  • BLB53
    BLB53 Posts: 1,583 Forumite
    Aren't they there to represent their constituencies? some of which were strongly remain (or strongly scottish, irish, fishing, farming).
    I suggest primarily they are there to uphold our democratic system of government. I am sure they would be the first to cry foul if their election to parliament in 2017 were challenged and the candidate who came second installed in their place.

    The best way to serve your constituents is to respect and implement the way the country voted in a referendum which you collectively gave them...no caveats, ifs, buts or maybe, 6 tests, see if they still want to leave. Just get on and secure Brexit.
  • lisyloo
    lisyloo Posts: 30,077 Forumite
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    I suggest primarily they are there to uphold our democratic system of government.


    Doesn't that mean each MP representing their constituency, not each MP representive the country?
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