If there is a second referendum ...

kabayiri

Bristol port ships in nearly 2/3s of it's goods traffic under WTO terms.

If you really need to bring in basic food for a period of short term need you can do so. There are plenty of production centres.

Suppose our major Southern ports were shut because of a new military conflict. Would you suggest we just give up because of an inability to bring in food that way? I don't believe that.

Fundamentally you believe in your own economy to cope with changing circumstances right? If you don't, you'd be well served finding one that would.

Arcaine

In terms of food approximately 30% comes from the EU and 50% is homegrown with the rest coming from outside the EU.



https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-global-and-uk-supply


Of the 20% from outside the EU (I have tried to find some numbers and havent yet) I believe some of it comes through free trade agreements and therefore has no tariff implications.


Being honest if there is a no deal and we leave on the 29th, I beleive, there will be some disruption while everyone figures out how to deal with everything. Will it last for long, I doubt it, necessity is a real driver and I am sure that this will get people solving the issues so I dont think it will be as bad as some people think. If I had to take a particular medicine I would make sure that I had enough to cover a few weeks after the 29th, but apart from that I wont be putting anything more besides as already pointed out the more people stock up the worse it is.

sashacat

I am a Brexiteer and am not stocking up. I am happy with no deal. The EU are like leeches living off the ordinary people.

smipsy

Kohoutek wrote: »

How can any organisation the size of the EU be "sly, devious and untrustworthy", let alone one made up of representatives of 27 different countries?

It's one thing to support Brexit, it's quite another to hold such bizarre views to think that an international organisation has characteristics that an only a individual person can have.

but haven't you heard, they're full of immigrants obviously, they're not english therefore they are rotten, sly, evil and so on

wunferall

Arcaine wrote: »

In terms of food approximately 30% comes from the EU and 50% is homegrown with the rest coming from outside the EU.



https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-global-and-uk-supply


Of the 20% from outside the EU (I have tried to find some numbers and havent yet) I believe some of it comes through free trade agreements and therefore has no tariff implications.


Being honest if there is a no deal and we leave on the 29th, I beleive, there will be some disruption while everyone figures out how to deal with everything. Will it last for long, I doubt it, necessity is a real driver and I am sure that this will get people solving the issues so I dont think it will be as bad as some people think. If I had to take a particular medicine I would make sure that I had enough to cover a few weeks after the 29th, but apart from that I wont be putting anything more besides as already pointed out the more people stock up the worse it is.

The way I see it is that it is far more simple than the moaning doom-mongering remainers would ever admit.

No matter what the product, be it a lettuce; a medicine; or a vehicle we all know that price is key.
Yes?
So, if the EU play silly beggars with tariffs etc. the UK retailers of lettuce, medicine and vehicles put out tenders globally.

Of course remainers would have us believe that there is no alternative to European produce; this is obviously not true in by far the vast majority of instances.
Suppliers from around the world will, I feel confident in suggesting, queue up to sell their goods in favour of EU equivalents.

Again remainers would have us believe that for example fresh produce is perishable and wouldn't survive the time taken to import ......... completely ignoring the little fact that the UK already imports fresh produce from the far corners of our planet without any problem.

As for medicines, the USA and Japan together manufacture about half of all the world's medicines so to suggest that there will be no alternatives to EU medicines must be largely untrue.

And I'm pretty certain that Hyundai/Kia amongst others would welcome the opportunity to sell their vehicles in preference to VW, PSA etc.

Maybe there won't be a perfectly smooth, trouble-free transition from being in the EU to being out of it.
But I'm pretty certain it won't be Armageddon either; far from it.
In fact the squeals of remainers reminds me of the fear of the so-called "Millenium Bug" - and I suspect we will see an outcome pretty much the same too.

kabayiri

wunferall wrote: »

The way I see it is that it is far more simple than the moaning doom-mongering remainers would ever admit.

No matter what the product, be it a lettuce; a medicine; or a vehicle we all know that price is key.
Yes?
So, if the EU play silly beggars with tariffs etc. the UK retailers of lettuce, medicine and vehicles put out tenders globally.

Of course remainers would have us believe that there is no alternative to European produce; this is obviously not true in by far the vast majority of instances.
Suppliers from around the world will, I feel confident in suggesting, queue up to sell their goods in favour of EU equivalents.
....

Argentina, for one, is very keen to sell us produce as a result of Brexit.

Once Spanish and French agri-business lose our market, they will find it extremely difficult to get it back.

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

Very difficult to differentiate between those stocking up for Brexit, for parties or for business reasons.

Our local Polish supermarkets may well struggle that's a certainty. If people do indeed stockpile.

mayonnaise

cogito wrote: »

I'm not stockpiling anything

Of course not, as you live in Greece. :doh:

Arcaine

wunferall wrote: »

No matter what the product, be it a lettuce; a medicine; or a vehicle we all know that price is key.
Yes?
So, if the EU play silly beggars with tariffs etc. the UK retailers of lettuce, medicine and vehicles put out tenders globally.

Apologies but this isnt correct, the UK sets the import tariffs that are going to be charged not the EU post the 29th. In fact I believe the tariffs rates the UK is going to charge have already been agreed with the WTO.

wunferall wrote: »

Of course remainers would have us believe that there is no alternative to European produce; this is obviously not true in by far the vast majority of instances.
Suppliers from around the world will, I feel confident in suggesting, queue up to sell their goods in favour of EU equivalents.

Very probably, but the same UK tariff would apply for all goods of the same type when it arrives. So when the afformentioned lettuce arrives from South America or whereever the same charge applies than one from the EU except one has travelled much further than one refigerated truck from Spain.

wunferall wrote: »

Again remainers would have us believe that for example fresh produce is perishable and wouldn't survive the time taken to import ......... completely ignoring the little fact that the UK already imports fresh produce from the far corners of our planet without any problem.

Maybe, most of the docks in the UK are working a plan for Brexit so maybe the things like fresh fruit and veg will get through with minimul delay. The actual delay will likely come from issues about clearance and payments of duty and VAT. Currently all goods can only enter free circulation once duty and VAT have been paid. Any items coming from the EU are tariff free but VAT technically still applies. Companies can self charge the VAT and then claim it back on the same return, this has nil impact on cashflow. However now VAT and Duty must be paid on ALL imports at the point of entry. So either we allow goods to clear without these payments or the goods must wait until payment is cleared and the entries are done onto the CHIEF system. This, in my opinion, will be the biggest hold up at the ports.

wunferall wrote: »

As for medicines, the USA and Japan together manufacture about half of all the world's medicines so to suggest that there will be no alternatives to EU medicines must be largely untrue.
And I'm pretty certain that Hyundai/Kia amongst others would welcome the opportunity to sell their vehicles in preference to VW, PSA etc.

Again the tariff on cars imported will be the same for all cars unless they are produced locally, unless there are trade deals done. It is interesting that the news from Nissan today came out 3 days after the EU, Japan trade deal comes into effect reducing the tariff on imported cars into the EU to 0.
I don't know much about where our medicines come from, please post some data?

wunferall wrote: »

Maybe there won't be a perfectly smooth, trouble-free transition from being in the EU to being out of it.
But I'm pretty certain it won't be Armageddon either; far from it.
In fact the squeals of remainers reminds me of the fear of the so-called "Millenium Bug" - and I suspect we will see an outcome pretty much the same too.

I really hope you are right and the pain isnt too bad, but given that we are less than 2 months away I am a little more pessamistic!!

BobQ

wunferall wrote: »

The way I see it is that it is far more simple than the moaning doom-mongering remainers would ever admit.

No matter what the product, be it a lettuce; a medicine; or a vehicle we all know that price is key.
Yes?
So, if the EU play silly beggars with tariffs etc. the UK retailers of lettuce, medicine and vehicles put out tenders globally..........

I am sure that in the long term you are right that we can import from many sources. The disruption in the short term will be unfortunate for the people affected of course whether they are in Britain or Germany or Ireland. If 10 years from now we live in England, Wales and NI, a land with little manufacturing capacity with a hard border with an independent Scotland (in the EEA) and a hard border with Eire and the recurrence of terrorism on the island of Ireland, will you regard it as a success?