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  • gfplux
    gfplux Posts: 4,985 Forumite
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    wunferall wrote: »
    The way I see it is that it is far more simple than the moaning doom-mongering remainers would ever admit.

    No matter what the product, be it a lettuce; a medicine; or a vehicle we all know that price is key.
    Yes?
    So, if the EU play silly beggars with tariffs etc. the UK retailers of lettuce, medicine and vehicles put out tenders globally.

    Of course remainers would have us believe that there is no alternative to European produce; this is obviously not true in by far the vast majority of instances.
    Suppliers from around the world will, I feel confident in suggesting, queue up to sell their goods in favour of EU equivalents.

    Again remainers would have us believe that for example fresh produce is perishable and wouldn't survive the time taken to import ......... completely ignoring the little fact that the UK already imports fresh produce from the far corners of our planet without any problem.

    As for medicines, the USA and Japan together manufacture about half of all the world's medicines so to suggest that there will be no alternatives to EU medicines must be largely untrue.

    And I'm pretty certain that Hyundai/Kia amongst others would welcome the opportunity to sell their vehicles in preference to VW, PSA etc.

    Maybe there won't be a perfectly smooth, trouble-free transition from being in the EU to being out of it.
    But I'm pretty certain it won't be Armageddon either; far from it.
    In fact the squeals of remainers reminds me of the fear of the so-called "Millenium Bug" - and I suspect we will see an outcome pretty much the same too.
    :D


    You obviously do not understand supply chains.
    Do you imagine that harvests are on hold waiting for a buyer?
    Don’t you understand that any harvesting of fresh produce being made this week, this or next month was bought A YEAR AGO!

    Of course there is food tinned and otherwise in wharehouses around the world. Don’t you understand what happens to prices when the customer is desperate.

    The well publicised Stockpiling by UK manufacturing seems sensible (to Brexiters) so why not private individuals looking after their own future needs.
    There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.
  • gfplux
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    Arcaine wrote: »
    Apologies but this isnt correct, the UK sets the import tariffs that are going to be charged not the EU post the 29th. In fact I believe the tariffs rates the UK is going to charge have already been agreed with the WTO

    The tariffs for good under WTO rules are already in place. They have not been agreed between the UK and WTO.
    If Britain trades under WTO the tariffs and rules will be imposed on Britain.

    Perhaps there should be a referendum to take back control from the WTO.
    There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.
  • buglawton
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    WTO is a good starting point from which to base negotiations with the most compatible trade partners.

    Sometimes the only way to renovate is to clear out all the furniture and fittings (EU customs union) and start with sparsely furnished rooms afterwards (WTO).

    May and half of the Tories are brimming with sentiment for the EU, it's prevented real progress.
  • StevieJ
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    mayonnaise wrote: »
    Of course not, as you live in Greece. :doh:


    Is that true?
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • Herzlos
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    It's true. Most of the vocal Brexiteers have no skin in the game.

    buglawton wrote: »
    WTO is a good starting point from which to base negotiations with the most compatible trade partners.

    Sometimes the only way to renovate is to clear out all the furniture and fittings (EU customs union) and start with sparsely furnished rooms afterwards (WTO).

    May and half of the Tories are brimming with sentiment for the EU, it's prevented real progress.


    That's a good analogy, because it means living in an empty house until it gets sorted out. Most people prefer to have plans in place before throwing out the contents of their house.
  • mayonnaise
    mayonnaise Posts: 3,690 Forumite
    StevieJ wrote: »
    Is that true?
    cogito wrote:
    As a Brit living in Greece, I've no plans to go anywhere.

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=72488540&postcount=19415

    Spewing blind hatred for the EU on these forums...while enjoying its hospitality. :o
    Don't blame me, I voted Remain.
  • buglawton
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    Herzlos wrote: »
    It's true. Most of the vocal Brexiteers have no skin in the game.

    That's a good analogy, because it means living in an empty house until it gets sorted out. Most people prefer to have plans in place before throwing out the contents of their house.
    Fully agree, and most people regrettably didn't include Mrs May or most of her cabinet. After all, why have a plan if you have no intention of doing something?

    To take the analogy further, some friends of mine had a major house refurb. They stored belongings and moved out for the duration. The result was a stunning success when finished.

    'Moving out' is the WTO phase while new trade deals are done. Not comfortable but the very best way.
  • kabayiri
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    Arcaine wrote: »
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    Very probably, but the same UK tariff would apply for all goods of the same type when it arrives. So when the afformentioned lettuce arrives from South America or whereever the same charge applies than one from the EU except one has travelled much further than one refigerated truck from Spain.
    ...

    This is true. But there was someone on the radio the other day from South America who said that they would be keen to accept some of this tariff hit.

    I can understand why. The gain in business can potentially offset any additional costs they incur, and ultimately the UK has proven quite a good customer.

    I suppose a problem for us is an opportunity for others.
  • Herzlos
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    Stockpiling is a self fulfilling prophecy. People listen to the BBC and rush out to buy things emptying the supermarkets shelves so that the BBC can then send out a film crew and say 'See. We told you so'. The sheeple then chuck away the stuff they bought a couple of weeks later because it's gone past its use by date.
    buglawton wrote: »
    Fully agree, and most people regrettably didn't include Mrs May or most of her cabinet. After all, why have a plan if you have no intention of doing something?

    To take the analogy further, some friends of mine had a major house refurb. They stored belongings and moved out for the duration. The result was a stunning success when finished.

    'Moving out' is the WTO phase while new trade deals are done. Not comfortable but the very best way.

    I fully agree, but I bet your friends had comprehensive plans in place before moving out and the work starting. What was being stored, what the work to be done was, where they were staying.

    Only Brexiteers would want to move out before negotiating with the builders.
  • buglawton
    buglawton Posts: 9,246 Forumite
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    Herzlos wrote: »
    I fully agree, but I bet your friends had comprehensive plans in place before moving out and the work starting. What was being stored, what the work to be done was, where they were staying.

    Only Brexiteers would want to move out before negotiating with the builders.
    Only a Remainer PM and a presumed Remainer Parliament would drag their feet on obviously needed planning & execution that should have started 2 years ago.
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