If there is a second referendum ...

Nasqueron

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

So, let me get this right, if remain had won by 52/48 split you would have been happy for us to half remain?

Of course you can say anything because that didnt happen, but I bet if there was another referendum with remain on the table and remain won 52/48 you would all be saying that that was it, you did not have to respect the 48% and we have to respect the vote.

As I said above, leave camp made it clear that they were not going to just accept a remain win (particularly a narrow one). Those opposed to the EU weren't just going to just accept we were staying just as the SNP don't accept the remain vote in Scotland.


Nigel Farage said specifically a 52/48 win for remain would be "unfinished business" and he'd campaign for another vote.



The petition to parliament demanding a minimum turnout and winning margin for the result to be accepted was setup by a leave supporter who didn't want a narrow remain win to be binding and end the debate.


It's obvious neither side would have accepted anything but a clearly comprehensive win.



2 years on, approx. 1.2m deaths have happened (around 590-600k a year die annually) of which a significant % were older people (who largely voted leave statistically) and a large number (probably closer to 1.4m) of 16/17 year olds could now vote, around 70-75% based on last vote would support remain, perhaps more.



If there was a second vote (which I doubt) you could easily end up with 52% for remain, possibly 55%. Perhaps a vote on how to leave if this deal is not ok e.g. no deal, May's deal, EEA etc with second preference votes and actually give democracy a proper chance.

Thrugelmir

Nasqueron wrote: »

2 years on, approx. 1.2m deaths have happened (around 590-600k a year die annually) of which a significant % were older people (who largely voted leave statistically) and a large number (probably closer to 1.4m) of 16/17 year olds could now vote, around 70-75% based on last vote would support remain, perhaps more.

You've omitted to factor in the number of people residing abroad who voted. Those retired in Spain and France, for example, would have probably voted to remain. Not as black and white as it may seem.

Seems little point in General Elections. As tomorrow the result could be different. Might as well vote in MP's for life........

kabayiri

Thrugelmir wrote: »

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Seems little point in General Elections. As tomorrow the result could be different. Might as well vote in MP's for life........

I was going to thank this post, but nearly a minute has past since I read it, and I might have changed my mind now :rotfl:

(I'm just using the Gina Miller defence here..)

MobileSaver

movilogo wrote: »

So if there is 2nd ref and Remain:Leave is 52:48, then will you

1. Discard this result as there is no "clear" majority.

Why should anyone discard the result?!?! That's not what happened with 52% Leave; we've just spent two and a half years in this country trying to implement the result.

movilogo wrote: »

2. If #1 is true, then 1st ref result remains valid.

#1 is obviously false though so the 1st ref result by your logic is invalid... I agree.

movilogo wrote: »

3. How many years later there will be 3rd ref to see if people changed minds again?

However many years it takes before we discover that Remainers were lying and the EU insists we join the Euro and forces us to sign up to a EU army. But if those things don't happen and we discover that actually the country is benefiting from being in the EU then I can't see many people changing their minds.

Thrugelmir

MobileSaver wrote: »

However many years it takes before we discover that Remainers were lying and the EU insists we join the Euro and forces us to sign up to a EU army. But if those things don't happen and we discover that actually the country is benefiting from being in the EU then I can't see many people changing their minds.

Who is the country? People need to benefit across the board. The wealth divide in the UK is what is causing much division. Where you are born increasingly determines the likely outcome of your life. Escaping poverty is easier in Kazakhstan than the UK.

J_Nostin

MobileSaver wrote: »

Why should anyone discard the result?!?! That's not what happened with 52% Leave; we've just spent two and a half years in this country trying to implement the result.

Give over. Surely what you mean is:
"Why should anyone discard the result?!?! Well that's just what happened with 52% Leave where we've just spent two and a half years in this country trying not to implement the result."

adindas

If there was a second referendum there might be a civil unrest and / or even worse a civil war.

The democracy is bleeding.

Herzlos

More so than if we have either a "no deal" Brexit or no Brexit?


I understand that the Leavers will feel cheated even though there's no consensus, but to say democracy is failing if we have more democracy is just baffling.

Moe_The_Bartender

Nasqueron wrote: »

Leave made it obvious before the vote that a narrow remain win wouldn't be accepted (Farage called it "unfinished business") and we should never have had an advisory election without rules on when the result would be accepted.

And Remain have made it obvious ever since that a narrow leave win isn't accepted. See how that works both ways?

MobileSaver

adindas wrote: »

If there was a second referendum there might be a civil unrest and / or even worse a civil war.

Just LOL! :rotfl:

The only people who don't want a second referendum are those that don't believe in democracy.