If there is a second referendum ...

movilogo

If No Deal option wins by any chance, what the govt. will do?

Why they can't do the same thing now?

andrewf75

The only possible referendum question is surely "no deal" v remain. You can't have May's deal on there, because for a 2nd vote to come about that would already have been rejected.

movilogo

Using that logic, remain can't be an option because that has been rejected (by public) already.

TM's deal has not been rejected by public yet.

Herzlos

TM's deal would likely be on there, because she needs that win to keep her job.


Remain lost the referendum 2.5 years ago, but it's one of the only options left on the table so it'd be disingenuous to leave it off the referendum. That logic baffles me though; the only way a Remain option would have any impact is if the people vote for it, no? And if they vote for it, it's what the people want, no? Thus the only way for Remain is the very situation where it should be there.
Anything else would be anti-democratic.

movilogo wrote: »

If No Deal option wins by any chance, what the govt. will do?

Leave with no deal, and blame the voters for the fallout.

Why they can't do the same thing now?

Because there's no indication that that's what people want, and there's no-one to blame for it yet.

Moby

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1084837158425452545/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-94521913100126770.ampproject.net%2F1812131718380%2Fframe.html
Sky indicating it will be a big loss......I estimate it will be around 90.

andrewf75

movilogo wrote: »

Using that logic, remain can't be an option because that has been rejected (by public) already.

TM's deal has not been rejected by public yet.

I kind of agree. I don't particularly want remain as an option, but I know I'm in a minority there! Its probably the only thing there is a majority for as herzlos says.

Its a mess. May screwed all of this up by ruling out the Norway option, the only way we could have respected the referendum result, protected the economy, NI and got a majority on side and moved forward. Now its a fight between the extremes and that isn't going to end well for anyone.

badmemory

Ballot paper


Q1 Vote for Leave or Remain


Q2 If the leave vote wins

Vote no deal or TMs deal


That way someone can vote remain & then no deal. That way everybody gets a say in the final answer. Then hopefully everybody can stop all the name calling and at least pretend to be civil.

andrewf75

badmemory wrote: »

Ballot paper


Q1 Vote for Leave or Remain


Q2 If the leave vote wins

Vote no deal or TMs deal


That way someone can vote remain & then no deal. That way everybody gets a say in the final answer. Then hopefully everybody can stop all the name calling and at least pretend to be civil.

But to be fair, we've already had the first stage of your suggestion.

Filo25

I don't think a 2 part question works as there are people who would vote for May's Deal v Remain but might not vote for No Deal v Remain and vice versa.

I would just go for Single Transferrable vote, put all 3 options down and let everyone put them in order of preference, the lowest in the first round drops out and the second preference votes get allocated to the 2 remaining options.

I can see May wanting to push a referendum on her deal v No Deal though (she knows her deal would almost certainly win through a coalition of Remainers and Soft Leave voters), bizarrely No Deal probably needs Remain on the ballot and a second round of Remain v No Deal to have a chance of winning a referendum vote.

Herzlos

Wouldn't hurt to ask again anyway, if we're asking Q2.