The Prepping Thread - A Newer Beginning ;)

boultdj

Oh hell, Elaine, not a good thing to happen, positive energy being sent your way.

monnagran

Elaine, that is just beyond awful.  So sorry.  Never will a year be waved goodbye with such relief.

needmoney

Elaine, wishing better things for the new year.

daz378

Have  you heard they are now leaving 3 months between doses of the vaccine and even the manufacturers  cant  promise this will be effective,  doctors are complaining,  very worrying...stay safe and happy new year

thriftwizard

Oh dear, Elaine, how awful for him! Hope he is ok, and that his brother-in-law either pulls through or passes gently. Daz, it's worrying, but I think they're trying to get at least some protection into as many people as they can, limited by the amount that can be produced at speed.

In the meantime, here's wishing you all a Happy & healthy New Year...

3secondmemory

daz378 said:

Have  you heard they are now leaving 3 months between doses of the vaccine and even the manufacturers  cant  promise this will be effective,  doctors are complaining,  very worrying...stay safe and happy new year

I’m so confused by which vaccine is which but there is a big difference in efficacy, although we can’t actually know for sure. There is a big difference between 55% efficacy and possibly 95%. Those are clinically vulnerable are still going to have to take similar precautions. 

I’m happy to take the vaccine but it’s no magic pill is it? 

VJsmum

Elaine - your poor dad, how awful

3second - the Oxford vaccine is 90%+ on two doses and can tolerate a 12 week gap; the pfizer one is untested (I believe) with a 12 week gap.  I'm not sure how effective the first dose only is. 

Daz - it seems if the government can find a way of effing something up they will.  I'm positive this move is to spin the "x amount of people vaccinated" line even if it is less effective.

Anyhoo - it is a new year and, while i'm sure that today will bring no magical changes, hopefully through the year things will be on the up. 

CCW007

VJsmum said:

Elaine - your poor dad, how awful

3second - the Oxford vaccine is 90%+ on two doses and can tolerate a 12 week gap; the pfizer one is untested (I believe) with a 12 week gap.  I'm not sure how effective the first dose only is. 

Daz - it seems if the government can find a way of effing something up they will.  I'm positive this move is to spin the "x amount of people vaccinated" line even if it is less effective.

Anyhoo - it is a new year and, while i'm sure that today will bring no magical changes, hopefully through the year things will be on the up. 

I read in the BMJ that the Pfizer vaccine is 52% effective after the first dose but that number varies from 29 point something to 65% which is not exactly comforting.  It reaches 95% when the second dose is given at three weeks.

Reading Twitter there is a huge amount of backlash as people are pointing out that this is effectively a clinical trial without consent.  It could also be off licence use as it hasn't been subject to clinical trials, which again requires consent.

Whereas the Oxford vaccine has been trialled (and potentually is more effective) with a longer delay and people have been made aware of the delay before commencing their first dose.

Absolutely appalled.

ETA Exact figures are between 29.5% and 68.4% after the first dose.

3secondmemory

CCW007 said:

VJsmum said:

Elaine - your poor dad, how awful

3second - the Oxford vaccine is 90%+ on two doses and can tolerate a 12 week gap; the pfizer one is untested (I believe) with a 12 week gap.  I'm not sure how effective the first dose only is. 

Daz - it seems if the government can find a way of effing something up they will.  I'm positive this move is to spin the "x amount of people vaccinated" line even if it is less effective.

Anyhoo - it is a new year and, while i'm sure that today will bring no magical changes, hopefully through the year things will be on the up. 

I read in the BMJ that the Pfizer vaccine is 52% effective after the first dose but that number varies from 29 point something to 65% which is not exactly comforting.  It reaches 95% when the second dose is given at three weeks.

Reading Twitter there is a huge amount of backlash as people are pointing out that this is effectively a clinical trial without consent.  It could also be off licence use as it hasn't been subject to clinical trials, which again requires consent.

Whereas the Oxford vaccine has been trialled (and potentually is more effective) with a longer delay and people have been made aware of the delay before commencing their first dose.

Absolutely appalled.

ETA Exact figures are between 29.5% and 68.4% after the first dose.

I’m not upset at the thought that we are all guinea pigs. This is an unprecedented situation. I am signed up to every medical research program I hear about. I’ve always been interested in volunteering in a medical trial - not many involve autoimmunity which many people should find reassuring. There’s no evidence to suggest that people with autoimmune conditions suffer worse adverse reactions to vaccines than anyone else. 😃

I could handle shielding longer if I knew that frontline workers were getting optimum protection straightaway. my son has been transferred onto a Covid ward; obviously I would prioritise the best vaccines in that direction. 

It’s going to be a huge undertaking to keep the whole country vaccinated up-to-date. 

And with everyone arguing over numbers, it’s going to take a while to see how effective it really is. 

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What's the alternative to vaccination with newly developed vaccines? without them there would be years perhaps of isolation and social distancing, years of people dying in huge numbers and years where the virus mutates often and even people who have had it once might catch a different variant and react badly to it or die from it.  Surely vaccines even if they are only newly developed and trialled are the only way this pandemic is going to be brought under control.  I don't put any credibility in people suddenly wising up and changing their behaviour to what's recommended by the government and doing the right thing do any of you?

We (those who take it up) get the flu jab every year, they'll probably do the covid re-vaccination at the same time like the MMR vaccine for children where all three are combined in a single jab.  Whatever the gap between the first and second vaccination dose we'll grab it with both hands as in my eyes it's the only way we'll ever be able to get back to a new normality in life and live without constant fear of infection again.