Kleeneze

EthanM

sarahriches1983 wrote: »

Iv recently become a distributor and am feeling a little bit disillusioned with it all to be honest. After paying out £75 for my start up kit i thought that would be it but then iv been told i have to pay out more for the MLM service, more still for use of the internet ordering system.

It also seems to be one big pyramid system.

Does anyone else do Kleeneze?

If you've not been told about the costs involved then either you have joined through someone inexperienced or dishonest. Starting with a £75 pack also makes it difficult for you as you don't have enough catalogues to see much in the way of orders unless your pretty lucky in where you live. You need to discuss your concerns with whoever you joined through and see what they say and what support is available to you. If you have been in less than 14 day's you do have the option of getting your money back. In any case if your not happy with the answers you are given and your already feeling dissillusioned then my experience is that you will give up in the fairly short term, in which case the quicker the better as it is likely to cost you more money before you start making any.

One thing it isn't is a pyramid scheme which are in fact illegal.

sarahriches1983

Thanks for your replies.

I have also come to that conclusion geordie joe!

Ethan M - I called the lady who introduced me yesterday regarding all of these fees that werent mentioned to me and i basically got her to admit to it being a pyramid scheme. She gave me all the blah about them being illegal and in the end she basically admitted thats what it is.

Im not doing too bad on it so far...think im going to stick at it for a bit at least until iv made my money back and see what happens. Im not going to ne recruiting other people i dont think though which is where the money is at from what iv seen.

continualdiamond

Savemoney all i can is then the distributer wasn't very ogranised. My OH has just had a chat with someone from betterware and received all the stuff, along with a 'terriority' chart at which you right down the street/house # if they don't want books or if they don't put them out to be collected so you know not to keep going back and waste not only your time, but the person at the house.

So far where very impressed with betterware, gave my OH a booklet with all the street names, and house numbers for our village, along with how many books you'd put out.

He then came back with a catalogue he'd just been to pick up with an order on it of £21..

EthanM

sarahriches1983 wrote: »

Thanks for your replies.

I have also come to that conclusion geordie joe!

Ethan M - I called the lady who introduced me yesterday regarding all of these fees that werent mentioned to me and i basically got her to admit to it being a pyramid scheme. She gave me all the blah about them being illegal and in the end she basically admitted thats what it is.

Im not doing too bad on it so far...think im going to stick at it for a bit at least until iv made my money back and see what happens. Im not going to ne recruiting other people i dont think though which is where the money is at from what iv seen.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




The unsustainable geometric progression of a classic pyramid scheme


A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, usually without any product or service being delivered. It has been known to come under many guises.
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Ok so there we have the official definition of a pyramid scheme. It doesn't matter how many people "admit" it is a pyramid scheme or how many people claim it is, the reason it has not been closed down for operating a pyramid scheme is because it is not a pyramid scheme. If someone ever states that it is, you can know to immediately discount anything the person say's about the subject as they are clearly either ignorant of the subject about which they speak or worse.

Maz

Ponzi Schemes, Pyramids, HYIPS generally make money for those at the top by encouraging others to 'invest' and don't provide any products or services. These have been illegal in the UK for dogs years.

Network Marketing companies provide a tangible product or service to an end user / consumer. Perfectly legal in the UK and many other countries.

I agree with EthanM on this one. I run a network marketing business and when people say 'Isn't that one of those pyramid schemes?', I tend to reply 'What do you mean, what's a pyramid scheme?' Invariably, they have no real idea so can't offer any sort explanation! I find that quite strange!

EthanM

Maz wrote: »

Ponzi Schemes, Pyramids, HYIPS generally make money for those at the top by encouraging others to 'invest' and don't provide any products or services. These have been illegal in the UK for dogs years.

Network Marketing companies provide a tangible product or service to an end user / consumer. Perfectly legal in the UK and many other countries.

I agree with EthanM on this one. I run a network marketing business and when people say 'Isn't that one of those pyramid schemes?', I tend to reply 'What do you mean, what's a pyramid scheme?' Invariably, they have no real idea so can't offer any sort explanation! I find that quite strange!

Yeah I too have found this, it's weird isn't it. People that really have very little idea about the MLM business model or Pyramid schemes, perfect example above as a Kleeneze agent tells her own downline that it is part of a pyramid scheme. Also people on this board repeatedly making the same claim and other equally false claims. It's unfortunate especially on a board that is meant to correctly inform people to help them make correct choices.

MothballsWallet

I've been looking at becoming a catalogue distributor (just dropping off and collecting catalogues), but I've always found their agents to be a bit too pushy for my liking.

Maybe "pushy" is the wrong word, perhaps "eager" is better, but they're always keen to promote having you join the selling & team running part of the business.

Peter_Pan

MothballsWallet wrote: »

I've been looking at becoming a catalogue distributor (just dropping off and collecting catalogues), but I've always found their agents to be a bit too pushy for my liking.

Maybe "pushy" is the wrong word, perhaps "eager" is better, but they're always keen to promote having you join the selling & team running part of the business.

If its just the catalogue side you are interested i would take a look at Betterware rather than Kleeneze. With Betterware there are no costs to join, you don't buy your own catalogues and you don't have the hassle of banking the monies etc plus you get your own territory so no competing with other agents from the same company.
With Kleeneze you have to pay a start up cost, buy your own brochures, have to run your own account and pay all the associated fees (internet charges) plus you WILL be competing in your area with other Kleeneze agents. You WILL also be subject to being asked to go to meetings which cost, you WILL be encouraged to look at the team building side and remember with that comes alot more expense and time of advertising, making calls to prospects and team members, etc etc........

MothballsWallet

Peter - thanks for the info. I don't see many adverts in the local press for Betterware distributors though. Perhaps it's better to contact the company directly.

NikkiP_2

pmg wrote: »

I must say I once watched a vid of Kleeneze on Youtube and was impressed by the promo.

did you join then ?