Kleeneze

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Noname29 wrote: »

Horsham wrote: »

That almost sounds like some sort of threat!

Don't be so stupid and dramatic.

In a company which people say is a 'scam, and doesnt work' I thnk that people are going to know who is making a monthly gross income of £5,500 and then gives it up.

I just wanted a balanced argument to know what happened to make such a great income disappear ?

Well, have I rattled someones cage. Have left your mlm business and have replaced my income with a genuine and moral one. I will explain my reasons as fully as you like, but more importantly I would like to expose Kleeneze for what it is, and remember there is only room for a few at the top so dont kid yourself that your income will continue for life as you lead people to believe!

Are you so surprised that it is possible for someone to leave this business because of monthly cheque. Anyone that achieves a reasonable income with Kleeneze can also achieve it in normal business. I use the term business loosely, as this is a business that you cannot control, you are lead by others either upline or the company themselves. A better description might be a club or franchise I suppose.

Morally, was fed up with trying to convince people that they could achieve great things, and blame them if it went wrong with the awful cliche "Kleeneze works if you do", this is a huge lie. The meetings "Amway style", bullying people to join, and pushing people to persude family and friends to join their business, if they didn't join they were not your friends and were inferior to you.This is great for an mlm company as it starts to make people vulnerable and rely more and more on their team for social activity and support, as they become isolated.

But deep down, knew that Kleeneze is finished. The sales figures have continued to fall over the last three years, and the market is becomming smaller, this due to over pricing and poor quality which has alienated many clients. Those at the top will milk it for as long as they can, as will Findel. But will you see many new superstars - I think not.

roaming_rhino

I look and read with fascination with the half baked ideas on whether kleeneze works or doesnt

The so called experts offering their opinion who couldnt make a success of anything never mind kleeneze



as ive said on my previous posts any one wanting to pay me a visit to watch me spread hundreds of monthly certificates of income of people in our team alone , never mind anyone else in the kleeneze business , across my living room floor please come visit ???? ( you wouldnt dare !!!!!!!!)

you will always have sceptics / neg heads/ experts / jack of all trades - master of nothing people

With a Board such as this I ve noticed It brings to the very fore all the SO CALLED MLM EXPERTS out from the woodwork to voice thier opinion on Opportunities like Kleeneze ( they dont work !!!!) yeh right !

Kleeneze and findel as a company will continue to march on regardless
Kleeneze last year paid about 40 million + out in bonuses and commissions to the network

For those anti kleeneze people out there - fine , have your say
it doesnt stop hundreds joining each month - it doesnt stop thousands and thousands of people buying from the catalogue each month

so all the negative jibes / feedback/comments is a waste of time

I can sure enough guarantee 2 things
Kleeneze has been going for 85 years - it isnt gonna stop just cos a few neg heads decide it doesnt work

secondly , there are 40 million working aged people in the UK , every year thousands get to pension age with nothing to show for their working life - potless and broke basically , proving the job plan doesnt work
ive not against careers or jobs as we are all taught through the education system get a career , get a job and do your best with what you have

Kleeneze still offers anyone at any age the option to earn within flexible hours and extra £200-£500 per month with the catalogues without having to touch the network marketing aspect of the opportunity , easy money if you are prepared to put in the effort

95% of the population get to 65 potless and broke
stats prove this

maybe there is a clue there

petestan

Peter_Pan wrote: »

I assume you don't have a poundland, Wilkinson and similar places local then?

I don't in my town but I have been into a few over the years and have seen perhaps half a dozen of the products we sell in there and I am talking about the same brand names anyone can sell cheap versions of the same products it doesn't mean they are any good. As an example one of my customers ran out of the orange wood cleaner and polish we sell before I was round again so she bought some from Tesco's, she told me that it was half the price but she had to use twice as much to clean what she wanted to clean and then it still wasn't as clean and polished as ours made it.
At the end of the day you get what you pay for.

As for ex team mate's, I can only speak for myself but I still call or email some of my ex team mate's, those that want to keep in touch with me anyway, sometimes they don't want to, but as I said it works both ways they can easily pick up the phone and call as well.

Jo_F

I still chat to my ex team mates and uplines. I never felt bullied, if I couldn't attend a meeting, well that was fine, and I was not pressured into team building.

I was happy with retailing, my sponser and my gold upline were really nice about it, if I wanted to team build then I knew the support was there, all I had to do is ask.

I built up a very loyal customer base of 450 people, each of who got a Christmas card each year, and most of who I still see and chat to.

I can see both sides, but it seems to me that you are either on one side or the other, there seems to be no middle ground. Sure it didn't work for me, basically it started taking over all the time that I had. I enjoyed it, and I would recommend it, but I would also advise that it can be hard work, soul destroying and you sure as heck get fed up with the British weather.

So on here we have the people that have tried it and it didn't work, the ones that scream its a scam and the ones that swear by it, all different views, but hey we are all different, that's what makes people who they are... the differing views and experinces. There is no need to be tearing lumps out of each other, lets just accept that it works for some and not others.

OK?

IvanOpinion

Sorry, I was trying to remain reasonably open but statements like these make litle sense

roaming_rhino wrote: »

Kleeneze still offers anyone at any age the option to earn within flexible hours an extra £200-£500 per month with the catalogues without having to touch the network marketing aspect of the opportunity , easy money if you are prepared to put in the effort

How can it be 'easy money' if you need to be 'prepared to put in the effort' ... if you 'put in the effort' then you could probably earn just as much or more in ANY job.

I would also question your usage of 'any age' ... could I send an 8 year old out on the street collecting money and taking orders or even delivering catalogues for money (I believe the UK has child labour laws .. I hope Kleeneze is not promoting the breaking of these).

95% of the population get to 65 potless and broke
stats prove this

That is a MADE UP stat with absolutely no credibility. I can't remember the actual numbers (would have to google) but the real stats do NOT show anything like this .. I think it was something like 75% have a pension (therefore a 'pot) and 33% would be less than what they wanted .. not fortgetting the state pension which ensures nobody is 'broke'. Also I would hope you have a proper pension scheme because you can not be guartanteed that Kleeneze (or any other company) will be here next week, not to worry when you decide to retire.


The more I read the posts from Kleeneze supporters the more I believe that there is form of brain washing going on, various posters have repeated exacly the same words o the point that it is almost 'robotic'. I can honestly see little difference between Kleeneze marketing and money tree marketing.

Ivan

Peter_Pan

Almost 3 years of working every evening and weekends - admittedly we did build a good customer base but that was over a large area which was a real pain having to collect stragglers and do odd deliveries as well as expensive . My kids grew up a lot in that time and i was too busy trying to build a future and we all missed out. When we weren't retailing - always being encouraged to do more and more i was on the phone prospecting and to team members to early hours. on top of that we were at meetings most weekends travelling to opposite ends of the country because "you have to set an example if you want your team to do the same"
The team grew then it dwindled, so we'd do more and it grew again and so on, it became a money pit:eek:.

We worked the system as we were taught and put in every spare hour we could, we hung in there because we were told you never know whats round the corner.
Even the retailing many customers admitted they ordered only because they wanted to support us - i'm sure there are people with cupboards overflowing with Kleeneze products they don't really need.

We gave it all we could (probably a lot more than other people with small family would have been prepared to) , its not a regular reliable income , even the top people are reliant on their huge downlines to keep up their end or their cheques fall.

I have also been getting leaders(Gold and above) trying to get me to join other NM companies - seem to be edging their bets - doesn't give you much confidence.

Horsham

roaming_rhino wrote: »

...95% of the population get to 65 potless and broke
stats prove this...

As mentioned above this clearly is untrue.

Buts let's just pretend you are right for a minute. You are implying that 5% of the population earn enough the traditional way to earn a wealthy retirement.

So lets turn things around. Why don't you tell what percentage of people who START Kleeneze earn enough to earn a wealthy retirement.?

I bet it's nowhere near 5%. You couldn't support the pyramid otherwise! (cue the usual retort of "It's not a pyramid scheme, pyramid schemes are illegal;")

ps as mentioned in my previous posts the only axe to grind I have with Kleenze is that I wish they would stop putting unsolicited catalogues through my door. If they did this, concentrating on only those customers that want their products, they would probably have a much lower turnover rate of agents. Then maybe a higher percentage of new starters would make something out of it.

Peter_Pan

Horsham wrote: »

ps as mentioned in my previous posts the only axe to grind I have with Kleenze is that I wish they would stop putting unsolicited catalogues through my door. If they did this, concentrating on only those customers that want their products, they would probably have a much lower turnover rate of agents. Then maybe a higher percentage of new starters would make something out of it.

The way it is now Kleeneze win again because they get all those start up fees and turnover of product for a short time at least . The customers have to put up with lots of different agents all competing for their Business (so silly having to compete for Business with agents from your own Company), we had a few customers who ordered from every agent dropping a book , one week when i delivered one of them said "i want to support you all but there was 5 different books dropped this time , why can't Kleeneze sort themselves out, to be fair i won't be ordering from anyone now"

IainJ

I have read all the threads on this site regarding Kleeneze and as a rep myself I felt I should 'chip in' so to speak.

Kleeneze is strange. I was hooked by the sight of big cheques and low hours, isn;t everyone?, but I was also not starstruck by it. By this I mean I have always been quite sceptical and knew that this would be hard to achieve but also could be acheivable as I could see how.

You need to do catalogues as they are the life of the business, moving product, selling things. I work full time in sales myself and if I don;t sell, the company stops going and I loose my job, just like if people don;t drop catalogues, kleeneze stops.

I did everything my sponsor told me at the start, go to all the meetings, listen to the voice mail, drop books, cards, flyers, internet ads - everything. I sponsored 3 people in my team, all doing around £600 each a month in personal retail, all with jobs and all seemingly quite happy. Then I went on holiday, came home and got my 'cheque' for £250 - having done nothing. Brilliant - I did as my sponsor had done, sent it out and said wow look at this. They all quit on me!!! I'm starting again but this time, I don't say anything about what I earn, I still do catalogues but I buy my leads for £30 a month. Its easier, cheaper and the leads are qualified. I sponsor about 1 - 2 people a month, I still work full time, but I tell them everything. Its going to be hard, it rains in England, you will loose books, people may be nasty to you. Only drop 1 book, if they don't read it, don;t give them another, they don't want it. I always tell my people to sponsor by buying leads. I even help build their teams by putting the odd person in theirs, my team grows and so does theirs.

For all you people saying Kleeneze is a scam, its not - its a business and its not a pyramid. Amway is being closed as its illegal. Kleeneze is a founder of the direct selling association and regulated by the Trading Standards.

If you are thinking of joining Kleeneze, its hard but rewarding, but not by just doing catalogues no matter what anyone says to you. Unless you have all day to drop books, you will quit within 2 weeks. I always tell my team, its best to have 2 people doing £500 each than trying to do £1500 on your own and I tell them to say the same.

I have been to appointments with my sponsor where he has blatantly tried to bully people into joining - I don't talk to him anymore as I couldn't bare listening to him go on. There is a system, but work it as you see fit, it is adapatable so adapt it to your own requirements.

I'm not telling you what I earn becuase its my business and no-one elses. I still work full time but am comfortable. I will never leave my day job to do Kleeneze as all that will happen is I will start to spend more money.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and as with anything in this world, you will always find people telling you that something doesn;t work. If you always listen to others, you wouldn't buy anything or do anything becuase someone had a bad experience. Always trust your own judgement, if something seems good, try it but work at it, if you have a bad feeling, rely on your own judements and don;t do it.

To close,

Kleeneze has 2 parts

1) Catalogues
2) People

you really should work on both because just doing 1 will leave you out of pocket, spiteful, and posting nasty comments on sites like here, ruining it for others who may do better than you.

Thats my advice and so far it is working for me.

Noname29

NEVER_EZE wrote: »

Noname29 wrote: »

Well, have I rattled someones cage.
Morally, was fed up with trying to convince people that they could achieve great things, and blame them if it went wrong with the awful cliche "Kleeneze works if you do", this is a huge lie. The meetings "Amway style", bullying people to join, and pushing people to persude family and friends to join their business, if they didn't join they were not your friends and were inferior to you.This is great for an mlm company as it starts to make people vulnerable and rely more and more on their team for social activity and support, as they become isolated.

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Thanks for your response, No you certainly haven't rattled my cage. :beer: I had heard that these things go on within Kze by distributors but had not experienced them personally. As for upline, ours has been non existant for several years, although I'm sure the cheques keep arriving, ( as you say 'at the moment'). We earn a decent retail income with Kze but to be honest have given up on the team building side and are looking at something fresh.
We would be giving up a small income, and it interested me that someone could give up an income of £5,500 pm.