Housing Assoc. want to install smart meter 3ft from sons bed.

meherenow

Hengus wrote: »

Have you actually had any discussions with your Housing Association about your concerns? The reason that we can all just opine is because only you have access to your tenancy agreement. If you want a legal opinion on your rights in this situation, then you will need to pay for/or get legal advice. This, in my opinion, is a situation best dealt with by ‘jaw jaw’ than ‘law law’. That said, if I was your Landlord, I would only be prepared to make reasonable adjustments to allay some of your concerns.

A reasonable comment - I'm in discussions with them just now - it's all very generalised the comments from them, it's a condtion of the tenancy that those with solar PV have this fitted (I can find NOTHING in the tenancy agreement about this). I will no doubt have to make it official.

Perhaps the thing I am most concerned about is whether such general terms in the tenancy agreement such as entry being required for repairs and maintenance give them the right to ride roughshod? This is a brand new house not even a year old, the emlite meter installed is by all accounts an industry standard component - they have changed the specs halfway round the estate by the sounds of it. It's quite another thing when I ask for something else to be added that they have incorporated into the interior of the houses they have built after mine due to spec changes of course!

I am prepared to seek legal advice, just thought I would try Dr. Google and suchlike first.

It seems a pretty grey area - there is no mention anywhere I can see of my situation. You can refuse the smart meters on your own gas and electric, however if your landlord pays these for you as part of your rent then they can decide to have smart meters installed - there is nothing relating to what is in effect a rent a roof.

Someone else mentioned on the first page I think that there would be little chance of such meters being forced on homeowners in this situation.

But then I am already a lowlife second class social tenant in the eyes of some in the wider estate despite running my own business (that waited two decades for this house and therefore I should feel eternally grateful). (disclaimer - cackhanded attempt at sarcasm there :cool:)

Blackpool_Saver

If you could see all the different RF around you all the time you would be horrified.
I read that the main concern with this is that it is pulsing so the body does not have the time to provide it's in-built protection, whether this is true or not I have no idea.
I think we have lost the battle for limiting these frequencies now, and when 5G comes along well that's it, game over...... there will be small antennas all round us to pass that on.
But back to the OP, no I wouldn't like it to be that close to a child's bed, surely the RF drops off further away...
I am holding out for as long as I can, for several reasons, one of which is that this generation of smart meters go dumb if you change suppliers, but that is the least of my concerns. I am not going the raise the others on here as most people wouldn't know what I was talking about anyway.

meherenow

takman wrote: »

It always amazes me how closed minded some people are and are perfectly happy forming an opinion when they don't have anywhere near all the facts and refuse to even consider the information they based that option on may be wrong.

You don't happen to be religious do you? :rotfl:

Hah. QUITE the opposite, I can assure you. Your internet psychology has failed you there somewhat.

Of course I am entitled to my own opinion, as are many here and have no problem spouting off.

It always amazes me how some people just love to open their mouths and let their bellies rumble...

baldelectrician

meherenow wrote: »

So, told them I didn't want a smart meter.

Got an email back to say it wasn't a smart meter but "a telemetry device (with a GSM component) that allows them to monitor the feed in tariff".

Sounds like a smart meter to me... and an unwanted intrusion into our privacy.

I have seen these and similar things are used for alarm panels.

One option could be to let them install one but require them to install it adjacent to the existing meter.

These things have the option of installing the telemetry device in a separate location- this is quite relevant as there may be signal problems that stop the device working in some areas

Another option is that you could let them install it (if they insist) and you could switch off the MCB / isolator to the panels when your son goes to bed- they will be using the mains supply to send the info - no mains supply = no sending data

You have more control than you think - it is your electricity bill and you have control over what you have on in your home

takman

meherenow wrote: »

Hah. QUITE the opposite, I can assure you. Your internet psychology has failed you there somewhat.

Of course I am entitled to my own opinion, as are many here and have no problem spouting off.

It always amazes me how some people just love to open their mouths and let their bellies rumble...

Your entitled to your opinion but if you base that opinion off of false information and justify it with false information then you just make yourself look silly, for example:

meherenow wrote: »

I do not want an ALWAYS ON mobile phone beaming out in my cupboard or my loft - it's very simple.

It isn't like an always on mobile phone because it only connects and sends out a signal when sending a reading which is at most every 30 minutes, usually far less often.

Yet i bet you have a mobile phone which you carry round in your pocket and put right next to your head when making calls which will expose you to a far higher level of radio waves than a device which occasionally sends out signals which will always be at least a couple of meters away from you.

Norman_Castle

meherenow wrote: »

I just want to know if I can legally say I don't want one and that will be that.

Probably not. Its likely your tenancy agreement allows the landlord reasonable access to maintain their property which would include this solar system and updating the meter. Its possible you can argue against the change but its likely you would need to provide a good argument against having these changes.

Try working with the HA. Ask if any transmitters can be fitted away from the bedrooms or possibly outside.

You will NOT be able to look at my roof and work out the times of day that my family are personally using the generated energy though will you?

Other than to optimise usage why would anyone want to?

System

Can we please play the ball and not attack posters. Having just listened to someone on the radio opining that the adjuvanted flu vaccine being offered to over 65 year olds will result in the end of Human Kind, it would seem that smart meter RF effects are really not worth worrying about. That said, we are all entitled to our personal opinions - however rational or irrational they may seem to others.

If no reasonable compromise can be found, then the OP has two options: one, accept the metering being offered or, two, move home.

And, yes, I have had my adjunvanted flu jab which, as luck would have it, was followed by the worst cold that I have had in years along with painful sinusitis. Are the two events linked? I very much doubt it save for the fact that my Doctor’s surgery was full of people with obvious coughs and colds.

matelodave

I really can't see why the OP is so concerned - she wont need to worry after next March when the world stops turning.

After reading all the stuff about Brexit I reckon that those of us are us who are left after all the dire things that are going befall us next March will be living in mud huts again.

Leccy, mobile phones and any other technology will be a thing of the past and we'll all be hunter gatherers and scavengers again.

Glad that you got your flu jab Hengus because from what I hear we wont be getting any more medication after next year either, so it'll be down to growing your own.

meherenow

takman wrote: »

Your entitled to your opinion but if you base that opinion off of false information and justify it with false information then you just make yourself look silly, for example:



It isn't like an always on mobile phone because it only connects and sends out a signal when sending a reading which is at most every 30 minutes, usually far less often.

Yet i bet you have a mobile phone which you carry round in your pocket and put right next to your head when making calls which will expose you to a far higher level of radio waves than a device which occasionally sends out signals which will always be at least a couple of meters away from you.

Wow, thanks for your unwanted insight and conjecture - again - opening the mouth and letting the belly rumble.

takman

meherenow wrote: »

Wow, thanks for your unwanted insight and conjecture

Well it's not conjecture when every time you post it backs up my point by showing that your not interested in the facts, and you will stick to your opinion based on these incorrect facts no matter what.

Your original post suggested your main concern was the negatives effects of the smart meters emissions. But this isn't true because you have no interest in posts that point out how wrong you are.

I've just re-read your orignial post and realised you said this:

meherenow wrote: »

Now of course we have wi-fi, mobile phones etc (and I work in I.T. so I'd like to think I have a fair grasp of such things)

:rotfl:

meherenow wrote: »

again - opening the mouth and letting the belly rumble.

Yea that phrase doesn't really work when your on a forum...