Vehicle Control Services. I've NOT appealed and Ignored thus far

zakaria666

Hello,

I've read the sticky, but cannot find answers to some of my questions. I've even searched the forums.

So I've got a 3 x PCN from vehicle control services. Literally hours apart. How in good concious someone can give tickets hours apart is beyond me.

first ticket issued 4th august @ 22.48
second ticket issued 5th august @ 09.32
third ticket issued 6th august @ 06.37

I've got a valid permit to park in a permit only parking space (melbourne house parking newcastle). I've got a permit up until 2019. During the three days I got the ticket, my parking paper I was provided expired, so because it was the weekend (fri, sat, sun), I coluldn't actually get a new one printed but when I called the parking management they said that before they issue a ticket they check the reg plate to see if you actually meant to be parked there before issuing a ticket.

I've ignored every letter and haven't even appealed first stage. It's now got to the "your account has been transferred to debt management team" etc etc, but because the time has elapsed for appealing, can i still go ahead with POPLA even though they technically didn't reject my appeal as I hadn't appealed in the first place and so can i still get the popla code? I've read to carry on ignoring which I've already been doing. I mean I must be in the wrong right? I hadn't shown a valid permit during the three days mentioned but I am eligable to park there regardless as I am paying for it monthly and whoever issued me the ticked full well knew I was meant to be parked there and they had already seen my car there months before with a valid EXPIRY date on my parking permit but jumped on the opportunity as soon as there wasn't a valid permit visible on the windscreen.

Thank you guys and really appreciate your responses in advance. What can i do now?

forgotmyname

You read to ignore and not appeal. Did you read anything dated after 2012?

Quentin

Your queries are all covered in the FAQ

You are too late to appeal

Debt collectors are covered in #4 of the FAQ

You are now in the debt collectors/wait and see stage

If you do get any lbcca or Court correspondence then come back for advice on how to defend this at that time

In the meantime keep on at whoever contracted the PPC to get this cancelled

zakaria666

Quentin wrote: »

Your queries are all covered in the FAQ

You are too late to appeal

Debt collectors are covered in #4 of the FAQ

You are now in the debt collectors/wait and see stage

If you do get any lbcca or Court correspondence then come back for advice on how to defend this at that time

In the meantime keep on at whoever contracted the PPC to get this cancelled

Hi. Thanks for the response. So the deadline to pay the £480 ( 3 tickets, each ticket now inflated to 160) is 10/10/2018.

You mean I should just ignore and wait to see if they'll call their bluff with respect to court proceedings etc. I'm just super worried about the solicitor fees, and all the other stupid fees that are going to be added on top of my already existing price i need to pay.

So its defendable if it gets to the court stage?

Thanks Qeuitin

zakaria666

forgotmyname wrote: »

You read to ignore and not appeal. Did you read anything dated after 2012?

Hi. You mean with respect to the law changing?

Ralph-y

hi, .... you need to keep researching
VCS are part of the scamming ATA that is the IPC so they do not offer POPLA.


you nead to read up on the T&C of your lease to see what they they say re parking





"but when I called the parking management they said that before they issue a ticket they check the reg plate to see if you actually meant to be parked there before issuing a ticket."


I take it you mean the management association? not the PPC?



if so what did they say when you complained ?



Ralph:cool:

zakaria666

Ralph-y wrote: »

hi, .... you need to keep researching
VCS are part of the scamming ATA that is the IPC so they do not offer POPLA.


you nead to read up on the T&C of your lease to see what they they say re parking





"but when I called the parking management they said that before they issue a ticket they check the reg plate to see if you actually meant to be parked there before issuing a ticket."


I take it you mean the management association? not the PPC?



if so what did they say when you complained ?



Ralph:cool:

Hi Ralph,

I have so much stress and other stuff going on. Mum going through cancer and dad my little son having problems I honestly feel suicidal. I guess i missed it. So POPLA is a waste of time then. Like one of the other members already pointed out too late to do any appeal.

So basically I pay 40£ a month as part of my lease to park in this carpark. On Friday, Saturday and Sunday the permit I was provided (which is literally just a piece of paper with a few numbers on it) - joke, was not visible on the car dashboard. It was however visible months prior. Regardless I'm paying to park there and you would have thought whoever comes to give a ticket would check the reg plate to double check before giving a ticket.

I haven't complained. I've literally buried my head in the sand and just ignored it. I kept reading ignore, ignore, ignore, appeal, ignore, appeal and so i just took the path of least resistance and ignored it hoping it'll vanish but now the colours are even brighter (red) in the letter they are sending and the price has gone up to 160 x 3 tickets. I know i should only start worrying once it gets to court stage but im just conscious about the additional money I would have to pay if i lose. What to do then? Should i just call my carpark or the landlord apartment to call VHS?

Thank you so much

onlyfoolsandparking

There are lots of things you can do, please stop panicking.


I'm sorry your going through a tough time at the moment and you certainly don't deserve to be getting hassled off the parking scammers but you are where you are.


Take your time and read through the newbies thread, do it steadily, there you will find out that POPLA is not open to you as these scammers are not in the BPA, they have their own 'FLAWED' appeal system called the IAS.


In relation to money, they are limited to what they can legally claim in the small claims court, they certainly cannot claim fake add on debt collector fees, they know this but they wont tell you because they have no morals, they rely on people allowing themselves to be bullied into paying.


The good news, you Definitely have a defence you PAY for parking already via a permit, just because someone says you owe them money doesn't mean you actually do, unfortunately the parking scammers will lie, threaten and cheat into making you believe you have done wrong and you should pay, YOU HAVENT DONE WRONG!!!! but you MAY!!!! have to prove you haven't done wrong, this is where the posters on here will help, they will blow VCS out of the water.


This will only be achieved however if you listen, learn and do what's asked of you, learn more about the game your now firmly involved in and get playing.

Coupon-mad

I'm just super worried about the solicitor fees, and all the other stupid fees that are going to be added on top of my already existing price i need to pay.

What solicitor fees and other fees would they be then? You are imagining it.

If a person defends a claim about 3 x £100 'PCN's, if they are one of the rare 1% here who report a court case lost, guess how much they would actually be told to pay by a Judge?

Almost certainly under £400 (3 x £100 plus a small claim fee, plus interest). And no CCJ as long as the losing party then paid the amount the Judge said was fair. Scam over, and that's only if you lost which is highly unlikely on this forum!

So the deadline to pay the £480 ( 3 tickets, each ticket now inflated to 160) is 10/10/2018.

And you won't be silly enough to pay that or worry about that.

So, let's see some facts. You live there? Are you a tenant?

I've got a valid permit to park in a permit only parking space (melbourne house parking newcastle). I've got a permit up until 2019. During the three days I got the ticket, my parking paper I was provided expired,

So if you have a permit till 2019, what is this ''expired parking paper'' rubbish they are setting you up to fail with, how does that work then if you have a permit till 2019?

Ralph-y

good advice above .....




"What to do then? Should i just call my carpark or the landlord apartment to call VHS?"


while you are reading up you should complain to the management association / landlord .... who supplies the permit and who said



"but when I called the parking management they said that before they issue a ticket they check the reg plate to see if you actually meant to be parked there before issuing a ticket. "


we still need to know what your lease agreement says .... this is important!





you all so need to know that this is part of a national scam that MP's are onto ....


if you read / watch the below you will see that you are far from alone in being targeted







https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-02-02/debates/CC84AF5E-AC6E-4E14-81B1-066E6A892807/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill

and slightly longer, the committee stage

https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/d5550515-cce9-4185-83ec-754dadb7524a

''Rip-offs from car park Cowboys must stop''; unfair treatment; signage deliberately confusing to ensure a PCN is issued; ''years of abuse by rogue parking companies''; bloodsuckers; ''the current system of regulation is hopeless, like putting Dracula in charge of the blood-bank''; extortionate fines; rogue operators; ''sense of injustice''; unfair charges and notices; wilfully misleading; signage is a deliberate act to deceive or mislead; ''confusing signs are often deliberate, to trap innocent drivers''; unreasonable; a curse; harassing; operating in a disgusting way; appeals service is no guarantee of a fair hearing; loathed; outrageous scam; dodgy practice; outrageous abuse; unscrupulous practices; ''the British Parking Association is as much use as a multi-storey car park in the Gobi desert''; and finally, by way of unanimous conclusion: ''we need to crack down on these rogue companies. They are an absolute disgrace to this country. Ordinary motorists and ordinary residents should not have to put up with this''.

These are the exact words used, so you should quote them to your MP in a complaint and ask him/her to contact Sir Greg Knight MP if he wants further information about this scam.

and some quotes from the committe stage

"The other area is hospital parking, and I want to single out one company for some pretty shady practices. That is ParkingEye"
" is very clear to me that there is collusion between parking companies and solicitors’ firms—so-called roboclaims companies. "
"They are often set up adjacently and involve the same directors and personnel. Incidentally, the same personnel get involved in the so-called appeals bodies."
"Essentially, it is a money-making enterprise that takes advantage of motorists up and down the country. They operate in a very business-like fashion, which is why I call them roboclaims companies."
"The companies are jamming up parts of our legal system."
“I now pretty much know exactly how the parking companies and in particular the IPC have been running this scam for the past 5 years. Basically both of the appeals processes are a complete and utter sham, (and part of that sham is Gladstones Solicitors itself)”
"The appeals process at Excel/VCS is run by a team of minimum wage office workers with no legal knowledge or experience whatsoever,"
" It is claimed by the head of the appeals service (retired Judge Bryn Holloway) that this is a completely independent fair process, it is not”
"The letter mentions two individuals—Will Hurley and Bryn Holloway—and concludes this is a typical example of the clear collusion between the IPC, their members and the IAS"
"what we can do about roboclaims companies and solicitors firms that profit, often in shady ways"
" the very large amounts of money that can be involved in such scams—a company called Smart Parking was involved in one such scam on my patch"
"tightening up the rules regarding the unfair use of automatic number plate recognition" "BW Legal, regularly issues 10,000 county court judgments a month, and is known to have issued 28,000 in one month"
"They are jamming up our court system, and are often totally unjustified."
" because the lifeblood of trying to extort money from people is having access to their details."

All from Parking (Code of Practice) Bill (First sitting) Hansard






so please help with the lease wording ... and complain to the management company .......


follow forum advice and I am sure you will win this ...


Ralph:cool:

zakaria666

Coupon-mad wrote: »

What solicitor fees and other fees would they be then? You are imagining it.

If a person defends a claim about 3 x £100 'PCN's, if they are one of the rare 1% here who report a court case lost, guess how much they would actually be told to pay by a Judge?

Almost certainly under £400 (3 x £100 plus a small claim fee, plus interest). And no CCJ as long as the losing party then paid the amount the Judge said was fair. Scam over, and that's only if you lost which is highly unlikely on this forum!

And you won't be silly enough to pay that or worry about that.

So, let's see some facts. You live there? Are you a tenant?

So if you have a permit till 2019, what is this ''expired parking paper'' rubbish they are setting you up to fail with, how does that work then if you have a permit till 2019?

Thank you so much for the reply. It just states on the letter that additional fees would be added in the case I lose the case. However I am sure it's just a play to scare you into paying.

So when I moved into my studio flat... it came with off site parking (3 minutes walk away from the complex I live in). The price for a bay was quoted around £10 a week. So £40 a month.

I asked the manager of the complex to provide me the permit. He printed out a permit which is the standard permit consistent in all the other cars inside the park structure. (simply reg number, logo of the company and a few numbers) - nothing special. A month or so prior to me receiving any ticket I was displaying the "permit" and everything was fine. On that weekend, the parking permit was not displayed on my dashboard. Hence I received a ticket for Friday, Saturday and sunday. Hours apart hence why i am fuming so much. Upon logging into the paymyparking.co.uk, there are images of my car and 3 photos of the sign stating "VALID PARKING PERMIT HOLDERS ONLY etc and they need to be visible". But i do have a valid parking permit and i am allowed to park there but it wasn't "visible" on the dashboard... . It's an absolute joke.

I'll just wait it out i guess and see what else happens and come back here to let you guys know if there has been any progress with respect to the CCJ. I am assuming that IF the VHS do go that route, do i need to go to the court which could be in any city in the UK? I'm just curious as that would also cost an arm and leg to travel to.

Thank you again so much